The Fail AWC and the death of a fun Tournament

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AWC just shows how bad the state of pvp is and how Blizzard fully failed everything with PVP…

In the season we saw a lot more variety of classes, yes shadow was one of the strongest classes but hey we was so nerfed and not re-tuned so let’s leave it there as this is not what the post is about.

META
The Meta game is killing every aspect of being good at your class… and this is how blizzard fails bigtime… there is no real win in playing one class anymore. there is nothing in the game that makes you feel i am a “warrior” or “druid” everyone pics the FOTM and this makes it less important for blizzard to do real tuning.

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The concept of wow pvp and AWC,
I’m a hockey fan and in hockey we have team lists and transfer windows.
here the problem starts for me with AWC.
Every team has mains and then should be allowed to pick 1 alt for each season weak in the tournament, this will mean that META will not be as much of a feature as it is now.
As it is now you can freely pick every FOTM EVERY week and if you know the class and blizzard is with you on the bonus tuning… all is well.
As it is now we sa a lot of teams picking the META and this is wrong…
why??
well if even the tournament can focus around meta, classes that is under tuned don’t get represented and the issue is not as visual to the community and Blizzard.

During the season 1 a lot of tuning happened witch is to be expected with a new talent system, but the tuning is pvp was as many know a mess of 20% here and 20% there something that to me is not a good way to tune.

as the season went by we all know how the live pvp was… and the lack of both communication and work from blizzard to try and fix things.

Then the Hammer of Judgement was tuned…
and for weeks Paladin has been god mode 2.0

and this made AWC finals a complete joke…

I don’t understand how it is even a thing that teams that never ever touched a Paladin in the season… now plays one…
how is that showing a variety, how is that showing skills in classes…
how is that even logical as a E-sport idea??

AWC should only allow teams to use a set amount of classes and these classes should come from the classes you played in the season…
it’s so boring to see so many teams going on Pala and demo warlock… teams that usually played Death Knight, Rogue , Shado priest, Hunter, warrior, shaman now all played PALA and DEMO…

this makes teams that were nearly not making it to the finals al of a sudden top tier due to a BAD TUNING SITUATON!!

This is a Joke
it is proving what the community said for so long.
Blizzard does not care for pvp, Their idea of pvp tuning is a Joke and it shows so BAD in AWC where teams are not teams it’s all just META!!

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It was nothing new. That SL tournament with Outlaw RMP was the same crap. Only specs changed.

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this means that people who are unlucky and their specs are not fotm dont even qualify or have no chance of winning it. Bad idea.

In general AWC will always be filled with fotm specs but in general thats nothing the typical arena player really concerns. Before 10.0.7 almost every spec was playable and strong even though AWC was filled with assas. Ret/demo are just on a new level OP and lack proper tuning.

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This is already the case though.

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Funny you say this while posting from a Dark Iron Dwarf… just saying.

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Every AWC tournament that doesn’t involve multiple RMP vs RMP mirrors is automatically awesome.

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I had a fun watching the tourney, don’t know what your’re on about. When did we have ret the last time in the top 3? At the very least it’s something different.

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FoTM rerolling is a really big community issue. I suspect it is worse now than before because leveling is quicker (even ‘instant’ if you buy boost) and the game is old so people naturally, over time, have leveled more classes and tried them out. But the culture created by FoTM rerolling is really bad for the game, if there was more pride in being your class / spec people would have more patience to try to be good and there would be more diversity in the ladder

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You’re crying so much and it was one of the best tournaments since the launch of DF. Not only did we see something other than rogue spam, but fights often lasted more than 5 minutes. In addition, the viewership on twitch was quite high.

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Double Rogue was the real content in SL :rofl:

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and racial is the new META OP !!
says the Paladin…

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i mean at least we didn’t have mirror games.
and the final was rather diverse

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I think it’s just how this community has become. They are mostly sweaty tryhards who don’t want to play any A tier team and only play something when you can smash the keyboard with your face and still succeed.

Blizzard is not helping with their balancing. This tier list culture is visible everywhere: arenas, M+, Raids. People only want to play within comps they don’t have to put any effort in.

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Yeah. There was totally not Demo Ret Rsham vs Demo Ret Rsham on quite a few games.

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I think the ret/warrior/fistweaver vs ret/feral/fistweaver was the most hilarious game there was… even the casters were like “wtf are we supposed to be talking about now?”

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i mean, not in the finals.
it was mw,demo,frost vs rsham, bm, ret

the loser’s finals was a mirror, that’s true, but aside from that, they were pretty spread.

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to some extend yes but they atleast have the ability to reroll like most did. Look at brains team that won NA they all played new specs.
Players like zeepeye rerolled ret.

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Well, it is almost never the case that the finals is a mirror. When people play FOTM (such as in SL when everyone was Outlaw Fire Holy) they know that if they reach the finals thanks it and then face a main team of the same comp, or a better team of the same comp, they have a very slim chance to even win one game, and so they play one/several of their own comps since they have a higher level of mastery.

Do you really think that the double caster team on NA, made of people having won tournaments multiple times, was unable to have one player play a spec as basic and overpowered as Ret ? Clearly not. However them doing it would require way more effort than for the team with a Rogue to swap to Ret (both melee) and play basically comps with similar playstyle than their main ones albeit on alt classes. And so, if the caster team tried to bring in a Ret too they would probably lose anyway, so it was a better choice for them to play within their strengths. It brought them to the finals anyway.

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but you’re basically saying the other team had a player who mained ret
or at least a melee
and i can’t believe an AWC finals team doesn’t have a member who mains melee, any melee.
and if they don’t, honestly, they are supposed to be disadvantaged. ortherwise what are we saying, “everyone main casters, you’ll always win” ?

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Yes, Drake (of thr team who won) is mainly a melee player. The other team though, the double caster team, is known to have mostly caster cleaves in their roster, and have been successful like that for many years.

Your belief isn’t required. Teams are open for everyone to see, and if you don’t know their history already you can freely check each member. Do it before arguing next time.

Well, this specific team has won several tournaments and reached the finals of all the ones they didn’t win (I think, maybe there are one or two they didn’t reach FINALS, but the point stands as they often did, and even if/when not they performed well) playing caster cleaves. For them, it works.