The Great Vault AKA The Great Casino

Please make it so that the vault cant reward you with an item that you already have.

Also maybe make it so that you actually get an item upgrade by not giving you an item in a slot where your highest ilvl item is

Its just so poorly designed theres not much regard when it comes to thinking about your players time and reward them for using it

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Imagine u have some high ilvl but with wrong stats and u want to replace… Shame i guess.

Imagime my highest ilvl are legs where my m+ lego is, so ill never drop legs, but my raid lego is neck, so i have to constantly swap and pray?

Its just rng and its at least 3 times better than what we had before.

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Well personally I miss reforging. They could make it so that the items you get are now with your prefered stats.

Yeah I can see the problem in that, but it also sucks really hard to get items from the vault which isnt an upgrade, dont you think?,

Can’t spend valor points again because of that great casino. -.- Is so annoying waiting for improvement up to one week because you never know which slot will get replaced.

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And how exactly will game determine your best stat? Do i have to put in string everytime i open vault? Also u realize different content has different stats prio right? And sometimes people multispec so if something there are 3 options where one is 3% uograde for spec 1 and other is same for spec 2, and third is 2% worse for both, they will pick worst because its actualy most useful item… This will just make even more mess.

Im at point where very few items can be upgrade for me (ilvl wise) so doesnt realy matter, sooner or later u have to get to point where u dont get upgrades.

Also, u have one lego, what are the odds u have 3+ options on same exact slot?

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Well The Vault has 3 rows for different type of content so you could simply add a box next to those rows with your prefered stats for each type of content. I dont see how that would be a mess.

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This was literally the only change we needed to the weekly chest

Dont make it able to reward you the same item on the same level

instead we got a ring & trinket generator while losing gear from the content itself

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I will give my self a liberty to rephrase what is said here - Please Blizzard make every boss drop loot that I need.

Which pretty much has nothing to do with game design but rather laziness or unwillingness of the player to seek after the loot.

Like, ever since World of WarCraft was released, you had weekly reset and each week you would try to get that next item. It might drop, it might not. For me, it was always a pleasure to outdps people with less quality items.

u just need to not get duplicates of the same ilvl. thats all it needs

now they removed bonus rolls (ffs blizz), u get 3 options for the type of content u prefer.

i raid and m+ so thats 6 items i can choose from, even if drops useless stats rings i have another 4-5 items to choose from. this also increases the chance of actualy geting an item u want like a 252 weapon or a raid trinket for example.

Yeah the Vault really is extremely bad, especially for Raiders rn.
Every chest/hand/Head/Shoulder/Boots drop is by definition useless.

  • Legendary slot which makes it 6 useless slots already.
    After that, the Vault can still reward you with the exact same item you already have, this is especially bad for trinkets.
    Same iLvL dupes shouldn’t be a thing / should be at the very least optional to enable/disable.
    That would already get rid of a gigantic amount of RNG powergain/loss.

If you get extremely unlucky for multiple weeks and miss out on 5+ 252 items that makes an absurd amount of difference in power while your friend got lucky instead.

Either heavily reduce its iLvL / importance to powergain or implement a no-dupe system so you don’t get items that you already have.
// Make it possible for Raiders to exclude Dom-Slot pieces from the Loot-table.
There is no reason for so many rng systems that wield that much power.

We already have a healthy rng from M+ Chest or Raid drops, we don’t need even more layers of it.

Yea, or they simply could let your choose one specific item out of 150 or how many there are, right?

The vault is yet another failed system, the latest iteration of a system that was introduced in Warlords of Draenor and began as a mission to grab loot without effort. We’ve seen the system move on to Legion, BFA and finally Shadowlands and it never works. It never works because it’s RNG nature means it’s almost impossible for anyone to feel satisfied with it every single week, the longer the tier goes on the less chance there is you’ll get an upgrade and because to maximise choice you need to grind content.

This is yet another example of Blizzard having the solution to a problem YEARS ago and then attempting to continue to solve it because the previous solution may have been good for gameplay but was not good for engagement metrics.

Here’s my take. The system itself is the problem. Attempting to improve it is what Blizzard has been doing since WOD and merely compounds the problem. Instead of trying to fix the system, cull it, like every other failed system out there.

Instead, allow people to use their valor points to upgrade gear they get from mythic+ dungeons to be mythic ilevel (in other words, add two more upgrade levels to dungeon gear so it goes from 12 to 14). Valor would be capped so they could only fully upgrade one piece a week or a fortnight if they farmed all possible, with the cap increasing week as it does now so you can catch up if you slack a week or two.

RNG comes from getting the desired item in the first place. Once you have the item, it is up to you to choose to spend a limited currency to fully upgrade it. Blizzard wants more RNG and less determinism in your gearing because if you can target a piece and plan it’s upgrades you can end up completing your character for a tier. What they want to avoid is you ever feeling done, they want you on that treadmill for as long as possible.

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Why are you so passive aggressive?
What you are saying is not anywhere near what I said

TGV should also take only 4 dungeons to get all 3 options, not 10, 1 / 2 / 4.

Because durinf bfa people cried its all random and wanted change and have something to choose from.

Now we have 1-9 rewards, and people still cry its rng and they want more optipns, soon there will be posts about what i said.

I cant believe u cant find un upgrade in your vault after 6 weeks of season, or how long it lasts, and if so, do more content.

this is unironically one of the most reasonable fixes to vault there is.

Its 1-6 if you dont do pvp, which people should never be pressured to do.

Additionally its not really worth 6 slots if you consider the simple fact that raid rewards dont scale and for any slot outside of leggo and dom sockets even really low key weekly rewards outscale HC raid loot. Meaning that even if you clear full Heroic every week (which man

There are arill all those dom socket slots and weapons, which for many are better than 46/52 from m+, alongside with trinkets, so yea, there is reason to do HC raid too

Free loot - perfect as it is

It is a reward for playing though.

Yeah, this seasons vault is harder because of dom-gear. And overall i am less lucky on my main. Even with having 3 M+ options opened.

For some reason the vault really loves cloaks…Cloak, cloak and cloak again week after week in every of my character’s vault.