The Horde's hypocricy in Battle for Dazar'alor

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I wanted to make a thread talking about the mindblowing hypocricy shown by the Horde leadership following the battle for Dazar’alor. Blizzard seems intent on making the Horde as self-righteously smug and brutal as possible, and then pretend the Alliance is just as bad too give of the apperance that this is anything but a morally white-black conflict.

As the Horde chases down Jaina Proudmoore, Talanji calls them murderers and treats the invasion like some massive, unprecedented injustice. Sylvanas concurs, refusing to negotiate in a war that is all but lost to her on the sole basis that the Alliance killed Rastakhan while Nathanos preaches about vengeance.

These numbnuts seem to have forgotten they started the war. They commited genocide, torturing and murdering countless innocent for the sole reason of causing survivors grief. They have lost all right to criticise others for dishonorable warfare. (Suddenly, when the Alliance does it, honor suddenly starts to matter, huh?)

And even so, the Alliance were fully justified in invading Dazar’alor. Rastakhan was actively waging war on the Alliance, with plans of further involvement using his fleet. What? Should the Alliance decide that honorable combat matter more than saving lives, a principle the Horde has entirely abandoned, because it would be beneficial to the Horde? That fleet would mean doom for the Alliance. Reminder, the Horde commited genocide against them, with their leader being immensly eager to finish the job with the rest of them. If they do not fight back with everything they got, they die. The Zandalari accepted, or should have realized, this risk when they allied with the Horde.

If you have any doubt that the Zandalari were allied with the Horde and actively waging war on the Alliance: Not only did Rastakhan let the Horde use his harbor to wage war upon Kul Tiras, if you do the “Kul Tirans don’t look at explosions” quest-Chain in Anglepoint, you will find Zandalari trolls fighting side by side with the Horde, with corpses of civilians littering the ground. Sylvanas herself states at the beginning of the 8.1 war campaign that they have the support of the Zandalari fleet, and Talanji states that they are part of the war when she goes to fight the Alliance in Nazmir, conclusively proving they were fully engaged in the war.

Which beings me to Talanji. When the Horde commited genocide against the Night Elves, she chose to ally with them. When the Horde used Zandalar as a staging point to invade Stormsong and murder innocent farmers in front of their children in Brennadam, she did nothing. When her own people joined the Horde to actually murder innocent anglers in Anglepoint, she did nothing, yet the moment she herself experiences a loss, then the war has gone too far. Murder is only bad when the Alliance does it apparently. She does not see the orphaned children of Brennadam from her throne of gold. The war she joined of her own volition is only bad when she is uncomfortable. What a disgusting hypocrite.

Furthermore, the Alliance killing Rastakhan was categorically not murder. Murder is killing someone for an unjust reason, usually for malevolent purposes. As proven above, he was actively waging war on the Alliance, and he chose to do so willingly. He saw himself justified in invading Kul Tiras (as seen in Anglepoint) and so, he gave the Alliance every right to invade his country. He was a valid military target, having himself declared the people of Anglepoint to be valid targets with his actions. The Alliance gave him a chance to surrender, which he refused, at which point they killed him in honorable combat to protect themselves from further harm and end his ritual. This was in no way murder.

Which brings us to the biggest hypocrite of them all, Sylvanas. What the Alliance did in Dazar’alor, was a far more ethical version of her strategy in War of the Thorns. Trick the enemy to pull forces out of their land and then send your main force against their underdefended home, and try to take down their leader to make them surrender. Except while Sylvanas sought to kill Malfurion, the Alliance actually sought to capture Rastakhan, and unlike her, actively tried to avoid civilian casualties instead of causing them. But when the Alliance actually succeeds in killing the enemy leader, suddenly it is a bad thing.

She killed all those civilians because she feared the Night Elves would not be demoralized with Malfurion still alive, yet now that Rastakhan is dead, she encourages the Zandalari to seek vengeance for what can only be described as a completely justified attack that the Zandalari had coming.

Apparently:
Night Elf leader dies=>They give up.
Zandalari leader dies=>They fight the enemy even more.

What this means is that Sylvanas does not even believe in her own reason for commiting genocide. She sacrificed the Horde’s only chance at peace for reasons she herself does not believe in, and then had the gall to blame Saurfang for it, for a failure she herself commited. And now, Sylvanas “In my mind, this Horde is worth saving” Windrunner has lead her people to defeat. A round of applause please. This is who is leading the Horde people.

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Oh-boy, this’ll be fun.

Edit : Most of what you said is true as well, I wonder what the responses will be.

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Somebody surley loves their bait threads still. This is going to be wild. grabs popcorn and a flamer to caramelize it

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I don’t see any hypocripsy. Zandalari didn’t participate in war of Throns, mere association is not a reason to kill their king, so it was a murder.

Secondly, why should Zandalari care for nelves? I know it might sound insesnsitive, but last time I checked they were mortal enemies.

But I don’t think this is bait thread, baits are made purposely by people that want to still sh*tfest, I’m quite positive that Sereloony truly belives in that. So I’ll just leave it be.

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Don’t take too much of this bait. This is just your weekly “You are Horde and you suck!” threads because it is already Friday I just realised. Just ignore it.

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Don’t worry, the zombie’s days are numbered. Hopefully her successor will be someone less insufferable and more easy to manipulate.

Don’t take too much of this bait. This is just your weekly “You are Horde and you suck!” threads because it is already Friday I just realised. Just ignore it.

Go back to MMO-Champion. Oh wait, you’re banned over there. Clearly people are tired of your Horde propaganda.

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How is this bait? The thread talks about hypocricy, and so does the post.

I laid out several reasons for why it was murder. Read the post. I never justified it with just them beign associated with the perpetrators. In the past you accused me of refusing to accapt reason and engage with opposing arguments, and look what you are doing now. I guess Talanji is not the only hypocritical troll.

I never said they should.

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Oh but you see, for Zakkaru the trolls are never the bad guys, they are always the poor victims of the evil and oprressive Empire a.k.a. The Alliance.

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Look now who is suddenly sensitive when people disagree.

Hrm, let’s see who else answered yet.

Convinient, it is, right?

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You did not “disagree”, you made false accusations.

Yes, one is talking about what they want from the story, the other is agreeing with what was said, thus actually engaging in the discussion. Was there supposed to be a point? You are such a sophist.

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I do like how you accuse someone of circle-jerking yet have refused to read was they have out nor argue against the points. Simply dismissing anything under the label of circle-jerk.

You can see it whatever way you want, but that doesn’t dismiss the valid points brought up by this and putting some arbitrary term doesn’t change it

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They weren’t contibuting to a diverse discussion. They clapped you on the back and continue the “good job”. That’s how a “circle-jerk” about a already worn out topic works.

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Ah, I see, when confornted by the fact that they actually engaged in the discussion, unlike you, which is why I did not accuse them of trolling, you changed the goalpost to, “diverse discussion”. Very clever. Have a pat on the back yourself. Like, do you not realize the hypocricy of claiming we are not having a “diverse discussion” when you yourself refuse to take part in it and tell people not to join?

Erevien: “You guys to not want to have a discussion, just a circle-jerk that agrees with each other. Also, I refuse to enage in discussion with people who disagree with me and actiely try to silence it.”

Physician, heal thyself.

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Actually, Sereluna’s points have merit to them.

If people don’t agree, then perhaps they should actually address those points instead of deploying a “ignore the point and disagree cause reasons” attitude.

Zandalari trolls are seen on various occasions during the Alliance’s war campaign. They are a part of Brennadam invading force and they kill civilians at Anglepoint.

Oh, let me guess: “But I don’t like that so it is not canon!”

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Honestly? I feel once we move away from faction bore-…I mean war and move back to lynching the screaming big bad trying to destroy the world (No not that one, the one with the tentacles), the less awful the story will be.

Don’t get me wrong, I said less awful not great or even good but at least bearable

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Also the world quest in Zuldazar where the Zandalari are keeping Kul Tiran captives.

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I disagree with the basis of your argument. I’ll expand on it later.

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Thank, you, I look forward to it.

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Summarize the entire OP post. Slapping everything together it goes like this:

-You are Horde, you suck and had ot coming, so stop crying.
-If you are Zandalari you should stop crying too because you had it coming.
-Continues to bragg about how superior the Alliance is, and they showed it! We are the only way!
-Last one, insulting everyone(characters and players alike) who disagrees as a hyprocite.

Also talking about hypocrisy

and more

So I am very sorry, but yes, this is nothing but bait meant to target the Horde community. And it is not the first time such a topic was created for the very same reason. The OP has a history of creating these topics.

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This is just you commiting the Reductio ad absurdum fallacy. Can you make one, single argument that is not fallacious? If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the discussion and you are just here to save face over being exposed as a liar and hypocrite, I suggest you leave. I never insulted any players in my post, you are lying.

You are just taking what I said out of context to make it seem like I am trying to be inflammatory. You are misrepresenting me to make people angry and think this is a bait thread. You are doing the exact same thing you are falsely accusing me of doing. If that is the only way you can prove a point, you have all but admitted this is not a bait thread. Those trolling flags just keep stacking.

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