The human kingdoms

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In current WoW lore there are 3/7 of the human kingdoms still standing. Two of them being part of the Alliance now (Stormwind and Kul’tiras and their huge navy).

Should we assume that Dalaran is Neutral still? Or part of the Alliance? Who knows… (so potentially 3/7 of the human kingdoms are alliance)

With the Alliance pushing north (and by the looks of things from the mission table they are winning) then they have the opportunity to restore Stromgarde, Gilneas, Alterac and potentially even Lordaeron. This would be amazing, to have the north of EK back as Alliance territory and the old human kingdoms restored.

This could happen and even make sense next expansion after the war has ended, if we are blessed with a world revamp.

My point is, how likely do you think that this or some of this could happen next expansion?

(Side note - a restored gilneas is very important and it’d be beautiful and a blessing. Hail Greymane :heart_eyes: )

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Strom is already restored and in Alliance hands lorewise.
Alterac is in ruins.
Gilneas is currently in limbo and Dalaran is neutral.

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It is??? Mind pointing at the source? It’s interesting if they gave an actual outcome to a warfront already.

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Dalaran is lead by the Council of Six. Which nowadays doesn’t matter at all. The important part is it’s lead by Khadgar who is absolutely neutral. Therefore Dalaran is Neutral. Even if I personally believe they’re not, they currently are considered so.

On the other hand, the Arathi Warfront shows a restored Stromgarde. I don’t know if it means anything in lore yet, but currently one of the Kingdom is structurally back.

Now that I fundamentally disagree. First because that would basically mean doom for Silvermoon, and second because humans have enough powerful cities as it is and, at a personal level, I don’t want to reward that incapacity of the Alliance aligned characters to move away from the past.
Lordaeron is gone and should remain in Ruins.
The Kingdom of Quel’thalas is gone and its remnant won’t join back the Alliance.
Yadda yadda yadda…

About Gilneas, while I’d love to see this place restored too, I’d also love to see a new Gilnean town that is more huge than three houses in a swamp.

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Accidents happen.

YEEEEEES!

Hail Greymane!!!

It would :heart:

I want General Hath and Alterac back!

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Most of their people and their royal lineage are dead. THe kingdom is gone. Even back pre Warcraft 3 they already talked to divide the lands of Alterac between the other Kingdoms. There is no coming back here.

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You mean, similar to another kingdom that lost 90% of its population?

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Syndicate is still a sworn enemy of the Alliance. So better not get your hopes up.

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Stromgarde is already restored. It’s blatantly clear that the Alliance will win the Warfront, since the restoration of Arathi is something that most Alliance players want, and Blizzard wants the Alliance to be the main power in the Eastern Kingdoms (and what the heck is Ar’gorok??? When was it even created, that stupid asspull fortress that came out of nowhere? Who even wants Ar’gorok to endure over Stromgarde, an estabilished and renowned Warcraft fortress???). Gilneas is also occupied by Alliance troops. Alterac is technically “restored” by the Forsaken. Lordaeron is gone because the Banshee fool turned it into a wasteland, though Calia Menethil, rightful Queen of Lordaeron, is loyal to the Alliance.

But a kingdom is comprised of people too, and in the modern Alliance there are many refugees from the ravaged northern kingdoms.

As for Dalaran, now that the Legion is gone, there is no reason for the Horde to remain in the city, especially with Khadgar the gullible out of the way. And besides, why is the Council of Six turning a blind eye to the giant Blight machines that the Forsaken brought in the city? As I expected, Dalaran has become a shadow of its former self. Gone are the golden days when Jaina Proudmoore ruled the Kirin Tor and Vereesa Windrunner led its armed forces.

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Yikes

You´re right about Stromgarde and Gilneas. I´d wager that the Warfront will be canonically won by the Alliance mainly because the Horde is lacking the clear supply lines that they Alliance has. Ironforge being two zones away is the main factor. Gilneas really is in the same position with the added benefit of not having a giant Horde base of power on its doorstep anymore.

As for the others? Much less certain. I for one have no doubt in my mind that the Forsaken will retake the Capital City under the leadership of Calia (Barf). Blizzard didn´t bring her out of the shadows, set her up as a clear contender to Sylvanas in Before the Storm, kill her and have her resurrected as some unholy Lightforged Undead for no reason. Nor is she loyal to the Alliance, on amicable terms yes but that doesn´t necessarily translate into loyalty to the greater Alliance and its kingdoms and she went on to state that she regarded the Forsaken of Lordaeron SPECIFICALLY as her kin.

Dalaran won´t ever be returned to the Alliance so long as Khadgar is the leader of the council. He openly declared his, and by extension the cities neutrality at the very end of Legion. Does it make sense? Possibly not but so long as Dalaran remains absent in the story the writers really have no reason to justify their continued neutrality in the face of Teldrassil and especially so if the war comes to an end later in the expansion.

Oh, and Jaina was utterly useless as leader of the Kirin Tor. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Jaina was also the leader of the Kirin Tor, yet how did that end for her?

Oh, and Jaina was utterly useless as leader of the Kirin Tor. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

She got rid of those silly anime elves who were made playable just to satisfy the Horde asian female players. She played a pivotal role in the defeat of the Thunder King and spearheaded the Alliance Siege of Orgrimmar alongside Varian Wrynn and the aforementioned Vereesa. She was far from being useless.

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She also broke Dalaran’s neutrality and then convicted a Purge by herself because a member of the Council broke neutrality.
All of this due to the fact that, because she broke Theramore’s neutrality by allowing Alliance’s forces to attack from it, her city was targeted and destroyed.

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Rhonin did.

and then convicted a Purge by herself because a member of the Council broke neutrality.

Because an incompetent member of her own Council refused to leave the city when given the chance to end the conflict peacefully and without any blood.

Besides, Jaina killed only the stubborn fools who resisted in spite of overwhelming odds, those who surrendered were teleported safely to the Violet Hold where they were punished accordingly.

because she broke Theramore’s neutrality by allowing Alliance’s forces to attack from it, her city was targeted and destroyed.

After Garrosh vowed on several occasions to conquer all of Kalimdor for the Horde.

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Not to mention giving access to Stormwind forces, making the entire neutrality thing the biggest joke ever.

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Why are you talking with your alt?

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He still isn’t my alt, regarding of your conspiracy theory.

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Right, Right, It’s a coincidence that you are both Blood Elf supremacists/Jaina haters.

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I mean all you have to do is check their post count to see that they´re two different players.

Unless.

Two accounts
:thinking:

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Ain’t got the money for this. However, all my character names are RP friendly. Starkalam obviously isn’t.

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Post count doesn’t carry over in this new forum, this means that tomorrow I could create a Forsaken alt and post like a Sylvanas fanboy and no one could tell who I really am.

You will have to excuse me for my suspiciouns, but since Erevien always berates me, thinking that I am a RPer simply because my arguments are objectively superior, and Starkalam’s first post ever was “The RP forum is that way---->”, only an idiot wouldn’t have any suspicion.