The lore of Monk Trainers - Before or after MoP?

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Alrightie… This is something I need to make sure when I am finalizing my RP profile. Forgive me if my question is stupid (because sometimes I am).
As you know, there are monk trainers in various starting zones. Some people claim the monk trainers were there before the events of MoP lore-wise (excluding the trainer for the draenei and the Scarlet Crusade), while the others say it’s during and after the events of MoP.
So which is it? My bet is on the latter.

P.S. I did google.

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Since both schools of pandaren monks in the wantering isle were encoraged to explore the world and all monk trainers seem to be pandarens, i’m pretty sure it is during/after

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Oh Hullo Munkosh, think we briefly RP’ed the other night in the Wyvern’s Tail.
I’d echo what Baffler says. You’re looking at Huojin and Tushui who left the Wandering Isle at the same time as Aysa and Ji did.

The problem with people saying they had been there before then, is that then this makes the very start of MoP not possible. Why is it a surprise to everyone that Pandaria exists? We know it exists, surely, if these Monk Trainers had been dwelling amongst us. People will have heard of Chen, if Horde, but he was one person, and was he really real, or was he like a ‘Robin Hood’ figure in our world, I mean nobody met him apart from a few, including Rexxar, who until recently had almost mythological status himself.

Now the question people inevitably ask at this point is "If the Monk Trainers were only there from MoP onwards, how come there are Scarlet Crusade Monks.

The answer is the same as ‘How are there Tauren Paladins?’ They are not the same thing. The Scarlet Crusade Monks are more like Smackpaladins. The Light infuses them and they can do crazy shiz. Its not calm Chi meditation. This is in much the same way that Tauren Paladins are actually Sunwalkers. They’re not Paladins, they’re very Militant Druids with a particular focus on An’she. Sure, the Class is the same as a Blood Knight a Vindicator or a Paladin, but the actual cultural reason is different.

In Game, the Monk Trainers of course, were only added with MoP and the availability of the Monk Class, but in Lore, I would actually strongly imagine that the same is true as to when they appeared, as if they had appeared earlier, Nazgrim would not have had to tell Garrosh about this mysterious new world. Everyone would already know.

So your supposition is the same as mine, it was during/after MoP, the alternative doesn’t make sense.

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Oh, hullo there! I remember you gentleman quite well!

Thank you for your comprehensive answer! When you put it that way, it is clearer now. And that Nazgrim part was really a good point. :ok_hand:

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Chen was the first Pandaren we’ve met, but I doubt he was the only one who were roaming among us. There were other brewmaster heroes with different names in Warcraft 3 & Frozen Throne.

Now, normally I would just disregard anything going on out of campaigns (such as maps where those heroes with different names were recruited) as non-canon. However, seeing a good number of examples against that point made me think otherwise. Sira Moonwarden, Cordana Felsong and Marin Bladewing were all names for warden heroes who were recruited outside campaign quests, but we’ve seen them in WoW as well. We’ve encountered with Kar the Everburning, Smolderas and all the other firelord heroes in WoW. Likewise, Dalar Dawnweaver used to be one of the names of Archmage heroes, and he also appears in Silverpine Forest as a forsaken NPC. There might be more examples I’ve missed, those were just the ones that were first to come to my mind. So, my point is that it’d be safe to assume that other named heroes do canonically exist in WoW as well, and that includes Pandaren brewmasters too. They’ve been roaming the world before the events of MoP and might have taken some pupils who were interested in monk training as well.

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While I do think thats a good point, the fact that wandering isle is the turtle of the first pandaren to dare leave pandaria and that the ones that followed, followed on the same turtle, makes me believe that the explorer Pandaren are all from the wandering isle. I’m fairly certain there were other pandarens around the world as the story of Liu Lang (first explorer) tells. However the monk trainers themselves I believe to be from the two schools in the wandering isle which are only encouraged to leave the island after the events with the alliance airship crash in the Pandaren starting quests. I do not disregard the possibility, however, that some of Liu Lang’s followers might be monks who passed their knowledge to other races around the world.

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