In your mind, maybe. The actual definition of single target is one target.
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Then your initial statement about feralâs âsingle targetâ dmg is wrong. 
I guess the only case of single target dmg in SoD is Guardian then 
In what way? Clearly not in the way where, if Iâm not top dps on Ventunax or Devos or Kaal, itâs because I screwed up my rotation.
Nah, Tarragrue is ST, parts of Eye are ST, half of the Nine is ST, etc.
Forgot that one. Rest clearly is not âsingle targetâ, according to the definition âin your mindâ.
No idea how this is related to single/multi target dps.
Some parts of the toolkit do less dmg on low target counts than youâd do with your âsingle targetâ stuff.
And⌠to get back on topic⌠This is why capping the tier set at 8 targets while nerfing the mastery is a really strange and (without a bluepost or additional changes) unjustified change.
Unless you canât count to one, youâre trolling.
The problem with your comments, and your attempts to rewrite the definition of single target to make feral look worse than it actually is, is that youâre not doing any of us who play it any favours. I donât know if you imagine the devs might be looking at this thread, and they might take notice, but itâs far more likely to be seen by other players. Since the biggest part of feralâs problem is that the community perceives it as bad, arguing that itâs actually worse than people imagine will just strengthen that perception and make it more difficult for us to get into high level content.
But you do understand that these are the cases where our definitions coincide and that the dungeons those bosses are in have more mobs in them? Calling me a troll while completely missing the subject of the thread and even the subject of our discussion is peak irony.
The problem with your comments, and your attempts to rewrite the definition of single target to make feral look better than it actually is, is that youâre not doing any of us who play it any favours. The topic is about target capping the tier set. Nobody cares about how you or I define âsingle target dpsâ.
No idea how you can come up with something like that. I didnât make the thread, I commented on your post. Feels more like this is what you are thinking
Yes, itâs surely the community perception that produces lower dungeon/raid logs for feral than for other specs. Getting in high level content wonât do much when you donât get invited back for more runs, donât you think?
If I get in, I get to demonstrate that my overall might be behind the AOE focused specs, but my boss damage is significantly higher, and Iâm invited back for more runs.
If I sign up to a group, and they take a minute or so before declining me (even if theyâre not full on dps), thereâs a good chance itâs because they checked my RIO and saw I play feral. If I do get invited and the group leader asks âboomkin?â, Iâm immediately kicked when I say Iâm not.
Dungeon logs are a meme. You donât take someone to a key based on their logs. You take them based on whether they show evidence of doing similar level content, and whether their class/spec fits the group. People looking at logs as a guide to performance in mythic plus are missing the fact that ability to interrupt, stun, soothe, reposition, dispel, etc are far more important than outright damage.
As far as raid goes, if you look at any of the comments on the rankings lists, feral is pushed down to middle/lower middle of the list by its lack of raid utility, not its dps. Comments like âno immunityâ, âno raid wide cooldownâ, âno utility that other druid specs donât bringâ are the reasons why ferals get turned down for raid spots. Itâs nothing to do with damage.
Feral boss damage is MAYBE average/low average, and taking into account that you will have less uptime in the raid, no unique utility, no raidbuffs and and and, that means our damage, even if we were 5% ahead of all other classes would still be unviable.
I think Max even said for him to consider Feral even remotely it would need to deal at least 15% more than everything else to even get considered for 1 spot.
Even in Shadowlands we donât even sim in the Top 10 in ST.
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If this is the attitude feral players take, itâs no wonder itâs considered a joke spec by the rest of the community. Iâm out of here. Iâd rather by playing WoW than hanging round here whining about how bad I am.
Thanks. At least you ended up admitting that feral does low AoE.
You completely missed the point.
Donât see how this is relevant at all. Nobody was talking about tier lists, you brought it up.
Well, now youâre getting emotional. Youâre the only one who considers the spec a âjoke specâ.
Do you even see the irony? How about you stop whining about the community perception then?
Its true though.
Feral was in the past always one of the best ST specs but that time has passed as many specs can do that with an easier rotation and also either have better AOE which most specs do compared to Feral or bring some utility. Add to it that ST is not even always that important in raids and M+
Best example is our other Druid brothers⌠There is absolutely no reason to bring a Feral if you can bring a boomy as they provide the same utility, a better damage profile which can be executed much easier. Even in RBGs there is no reason to bring a Feral like at all. The only place where Feral is a top dog is in arena.
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Yep, I agree 100%.
I totally donât care about our AOE & Utility if we are just THE ST machines.
But we werenât those, especially compared to Balance in a long time while our AOE & Utility lacked for such a long that it caused a lot of damage.
Rn it feels likes we end up being overall subpar again without any identity besides being a worse Balance with melee range which is awful.
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Boomkin has even more and better utility.
âSingle target damage like no otherâ
Anyone remember this quote from Ion when he talked about Ferals years ago? 
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blizzard saw the video clip from that dude who got with pi and other external buffs 250k damage. what did they? reduce the max target eight after the clip was posted.
they are scared that every top player in their e sports trash trournament is playing that combination. it wouldnât matter if wow was still an mmo but we are playing an e sport game. hope with ms they remove the esport from the game which hurts more than helps
They have the same utility. When you set boomie affinity, you have the same utilities as boomie. You can play both ranged and meele.
Itâs just the mdi mentality thatâs trash: âFeral is s*it. Boomie is God!â
If you know how to play the feral spec, you are better than the boomie.
If the feral does a lot of damage there is definitely a bug (elite mentality), but if the boomie does too much damage, thatâs right âŚ
That is nonsense of course. Boomie has Innervate and Treants, which is not part of Balance affinity. Furthermore, the Boomie will also pick an affinity and thus have Typhoon plus X (incap roar or vortex) whereas Feral will only have Typhoon.
Feralâs only mini advantage is the free Regrowth.
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I would be very happy if I get Treants, Sunbeam and Innervate with Balance Affinity.
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SureâŚ
And once you have received Innervate and the treants, do you rightly think you are accepted by the community?
Iâm sorry to contradict you, but, as I said before, if the elite mentality does not change, the feral may have all the skills in the world, but it will always be considered Tier C, or X, Z, Y.
Hence, feral is not being considered NOT BECAUSE it doesnât have enough utility for party, but has been branded as a s*it spec.
Because it is, and it is that without even taking âutilityâ into consideration
Well with the 65% nerf now we know they actually have no idea what they are doing at all.
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