Here we are in Shadowalnds and still none of the problems the Horde has are fixed.
Alliance has:
better cities
better characters
more development
more zones
better immersion
better world building
and is generally hailed as the cradle of civilisation on Azeroth.
Horde always gets shafted and ends up holding the short end of the stick. If we want to make the game equal we need to give the Horde a huge boost.
Horde needs:
a huge boost in their leader cast.
a new style of architecture for the race who used to be savages.
the remaining parts of the core races to join the playable Horde. In this case the Gurubashi tribe, the Amani tribe, the Grimtotem tribe and the remains of the dark and fel Horde.
being allowed to kill some Alliance heroes so that the blue team suffers real defeats.
do these Blizzard and the game counts as being fixed.
After BFA? No horde doesnât need anything else.
The whole xpac was horde centric.
Horde characters was in all cinematics.
Horde war story has two different paths, something that alliance didnât had.
Story was driven by the Horde narative.
All promotional campaing during pre-patch was horde centric.
Horde had development of their leaders - Sylvanas and Saurfang.
Xpansion started with horde narative and ended with horde narative.
In the first raid Alliance had nothing to do with issues with Uldir story wise.
Pre BFA.
Cataclysm and MoP had serious horde story development - yes not all of that was great, but at least horde side wasnât in stagnation for several years like alliance.
And before you yet again start to cry for some Alliance bias BS, just check numbers and see what is the difference between alliance player base and horde. Alliance is outnumbered, via several reasons, that like a snowball bleeded alliance player base.
It was
Horde favoritism in story.
Stagnation and staleness of alliance story.
Blizzard has allowed the situation where all compedetive players left alliance for horde becuse of better racials many years ago, and blizz did nothing.
Absence of serious and rough actions in order to bolster the number of alliance players.
All BS that happend to the horde is happend because current story tellers of blizzard is more interested in writing horde or horde related characters, and because of their poor writing and storytelling skills you gotâŚwell what you got in the end.
Still wanna whine about Alliance bias? Cry me a river.
Ehhhh, not so sure about that one. Theyâve got some solid ones in there, but probably do need Rokâhan to be firmed up, and for the Forsaken to actually -get- a leader, given that we know neither Calia or Lilian is it.
Everywhere else goes to the back of the queue until they revamp Silvermoon and Exodar. They should not touch a single racial Capital other than those two. Only once they are on the Azeroth map, and updated, should they even entertain the idea of doing anything with other Horde (Or Alliance) Cities.
Err, You wot? The Darkspear are actually Gurubashi Trolls. I mean that is what they are, just one group of them, Not sure how adding more Gurubashi when they already have Gurubashi would help matters. The Amani make no sense, theyâre broken, as a Tribe, and would bring nothing new or of any worth to the Horde. Plus there are the two small facts that a) they Hate the Horde and the Horde hates them, and b) are they really going to join the Horde, when the current dominant racial leader on the Council in Azeroth is a Blood Elf who rather famously killed a lot of them?
The Grimtotem would add nothing to the Horde, and how is that even meant to work? The Grimtotem? Ruled by Magatha? The Tauren who perverted a duel between their last Chieftain of Chieftains and Garrosh, killing the father of the current Chieftain of Chieftains? Iâm sure that will go down well.
As for the Dark and Fel HordeâŚWho? Do they even still exist? Not on Azeroth⌠What would they bring to the Horde? âWeâre Orcs!â âYeah, we have two types of those alreadyâ âAh yeah but weâre all like, Dark and Fel?â âYeah, what does that actually mean anymore? Youâre basically just Orcs, arenât you?â
That however, is the only good point you make. Blizzard do go a bit kill-crazy with Horde Leaders. Varian is an honourable mention, but even then it was an absolute travesty the way they went âOh well, Varian is dying, so Volâjin has to die as well to keep it fair!â UhâŚNo Blizz. You put Volâjin in as Warchief (Probably the best one the Horde has had, to date) just to Sock Puppet their worst Warchief (Sylvanas) into power because she is Steve Danuserâs imaginary Waifu? They didnât even give him any decent screen time. Anyone who has read âShadows of the Hordeâ would realise how absolutely awesome Volâjin was in a ruck. He was an absolute -unit!- Him and Tyrathan Khort were like if John McClane and Batman had been in a Buddy Cop movie taking out Nakatomi Plaza full of Zandalari.
They utterly crapped on his competence and character in that shameful Horde cut scene at the start of Legion. (I say âHorde cutsceneâ but it was 10 seconds of Horde, Three minutes of Varian, No one who mains Alliance can complain about how much attention Saurfang got in BfA, Horde is still owed a good Cinematic for a whole -expansion-).
This said, I am pleased we see Volâjin again in the Ardenweald campaign, and if they follow through on what we saw there, then, yâknow, Iâd be kind of OK with that, Bwonsamdi has now utterly cemented his position as Loa of Death, destroying Muehâzuli, and as Volâjin has now absorbed the power of Rezan, we -might- if lucky, see some transfer of power, and for Volâjin to actually become the new Loa of Kings. Certainly Volâjin and Bwonsamdi actually seem to be quite matey (As they should be, it was Bwonsamdi who brought Volâjin back to life, during âShadows of the Hordeâ). Iâd be OK with that. Horde lose a good Warchief, but gain an actual God.
Alliance do need a few more leader deaths, the problem is, we know who they -should- be, and we know that thirsty fanboyâs will make sure they never happen.
Jaina needs to go. She is well past her sell by date, there is only so much more they can do with her. She is ridiculously overpowered, and she is thrown in everywhere, Or rather, donât even necessarily kill her off, but have her actually be a believable character for once in her gods damned life and go âI am now the Queen of Kul Tiras. Maybe I should be doing Queen stuff instead of gallivanting around the world pleasing my prepubescent fanbase!â
I mean Iâm joking, but I almost dare you to tell me that if she looked like the Female Kul Tiran model, that her fan base would be as ardent in her defence.
Pretty telling really. Good Kul Tiran female =slender human model, Evil Kul Tiran female=a Larger ladyâŚ
I mean Kul Tirans make no biological sense anyway and would be impossible to exist as a species, but weâll set that aside.
Jaina needs to go.
Tyrande and Malfurion need to go. Blizzard have made the cardinal sin of âpower creepâ. Theyâve basically written characters so powerful that there needs to be some Mcguffin reason why they canât use their hideous powers. Theyâre not the only ones. It is the reason why Superman is an awful comic book hero, and Batman is a good one.
They have good NPCâs who could replace them. Iâd love to see Shandris and Jarod co-rule the Kaldorei. Not as a romantic Couple, just as a pair of rulers. If that sounds crazy, it worked for the Spartans for centuries, anything that has actually happened, can not be classed as âunrealisticâ to happen in a fantasy setting, just saying.
They need to fix Anduin. Itâs shocking. I mean seriously, what are they doing. I mean the Ardenweald cut scene was embarrassing, Jaina is âOh, We must Save you Anduin! We will Save you, whatever it takes!â Rather than going âOh Heck, right MAAAAAGIC!â and actually trying to -do- something about the situation. âYou did all you could Jainaâ Yes. Iâm sure she did. She absolutely did all she could, whilst quietly monologuing and not making any effort to use her God almighty Mary Sue powers like she does at other times.
She also has to release, that perhaps she needs to explore the possibility that -she- is the problem here. I mean her track record with any male figures in her life has not been great.
Got her Dad Killed.
Elven Prince falls for her, gets knocked back, becomes cackling megalomaniac.
Human Prince falls for her, she washes her hands of things, he turns into the Enemy of Life incarnate.
Flying Magic Crocodile falls for her, she starts being a bit twisted, and he, a shapeshifting flying magic crocodile decides that -she- is the weird one in this relationship, and so breaks it off.
She desperately needs to go. But we know that wonât happen.
That just simply isnât true, is it?
Still, did give me a chance for a cathartic rant, if nothing else.
He is the Loa of death is he not?
Or can Loa just swap? What happens if the Bear loa swaps with the tiger loa do they still look like the animal or dose that swap also?
Sorry, but no
Bwonsamdi is still âjustâ the Loa of Graves and the Dead
As of a deal made between Bwonsamdi and King Rastakhan, Bwonsamdi is currently the highest loa in the Zandalari pantheon and the patron loa of the royal family, taking the place of the deceased Rezan.
But not the Loa of Kings, just their patron and the head of the pantheon at the moment⌠technicality. A âPromotionâ without any real power, the Zandalari now consider him the chief Loa (would be surpise if the other Loa would respect his authority, tho during his short reign as the highest loa in the pantheon he did more than Rezan, namely bargained with the Winter Queen [and after Gorak Zhar was killed and the Drust beaten back, a Mask of Bwonsamdi was present within the Winter Queenâs cour so he maybe now part of that too?], saved - by proxy - four loa from the Maw, defeated Mueâzala and protected the Troll souls from the Maw, so⌠he takes his ânew jobâ seriously, at least whom he helped to save totally would resect him as leader I guess ) and the family is bound to Him, not Rezan
As stated above, not exactly. Bwonsamdi has his own gig going on, and whilst he has a personal âdealâ with Talanji, by proxy of Rastakhan, he is the Loa patron of the current Royal Family, not the Loa of Kings, which is the Loa of -Royalty- It would be like, to use real life terms, Having a God who was the God of English Monarchy, then the Plantagenet dynasty came to power, who had their own special God, when Richard III died, as the last Plantagenet monarch, the God wouldnât have a finger in that pie anymore, it would revert to the God whoâs âjobâ it was.
Although kudos to Dave Fennoy, in the Ardenweald Campaign, as a VA myself it is absolutely devilish trying to voice two -different- characters, who sound similar, but are supposed to sound different having a conversation with each other! (He does both Volâjin and Bwonsamdi)
Lol what? that ainât how it works, Rezan dying already made him absent from the role as a loa of kings. In the book with Talanji we see that she literally stated he would remain the âLoa of Kingsâ. There was never a separation between âKing of Royaltyâ and âLoa of Kingsâ. That is some prime headcanoning. There is most definitely a power that comes with his âpromotionâ mandated by the literal Queen of Zandalari who is willed by loa and the fact the God-King made a valid deal that has elavated him above Loa. There is more to Zandalari than just a bloodline when you are the leader, you pass a trial as we saw with Talanji and the loa themselves counsel you as once more stated in the book Shadows Rising near the end. He already has been called the Loa of Kings and thatâs it. No going around that.
You truly manage to talk in a cursed manner Brigante, once more there is just a brought up headcanon debunked by the book, lore of how loa and their power work and the fact âLoa of Royaltyâ is just a non-existent term. The fact he is patron of this family that has ruled for very, very long time (by troll standards) is what makes him loa of kings too. Now before you pop off with another over talked, eldritch headcanon consider please doing a quick research that will confirm this.
I humbly suggest to do your homework before start an argument about lore
Because you are dead wrong - and before you suggest the same, check the soruces first, like we do
But feel free to live in headcanon land mate, wasting time on you explain facts is useless it seems
Literally read where Talanji called him the loa of kings herself, do tell me how that is wrong and a headcanon at that. I read sources before even talking to you and here you are, only yelling about not wasting your time while calling me out on headcanons. Funny innitâŚ
Thereâs a reason Rezan has multiple titles, and heâs been the reigning Loa of Kings for so long. Since the âearly days of the empire,â Rezan has stood by the side of the Zandali Royal Family as their power base. Heâs the reason why Rastakhan lived so long (several hundred years) and why the Prelates/Kingsguard were such a powerful force.
However Rezan is known first as the âGod of the Huntâ. A Loa that values actions over words. While he has been worshipped as the âKing of Kingsâ and the âLoa of Kings and Queensâ, that is a position above ALL Loa. He was the most powerful Loa because he was worshipped by the Royal Family, and as such had a very popular base with other Zandali. Power breeds power.
With Rezanâs death, the dungeon journal specifically refers to Rezanâs change in titelage.
"Rezan,once a loa to the Zuldazar kings and queens,had his soul torn from his body⌠Now, only a twisted husk remainsâŚ
Then, of course, Rastakhan makes his deal. This deal is VERY specific, and beyond the purview of Bwonsamdiâs realm and domain.
Rastakhan: "Become my Loa. Grant me the power to recover my kingdom, and I will elevate you above ALL LOA."
Rastakhan makes Bwonsamdi the Loa of Kings and Queens. Thatâs a political position, one that results in the events of the Zandalari Heritage Questline, the Widowâs Bite, and the fuel to make attacks on Bwonsamdiâs Necropolis and worshippers during Shadowâs Rising.
Furthermore, Rezan is now dead. Deceased. Unlike other Loa such as AtalâHakkar, Shadra, etc., Rezan has been all but devoured by the Maw and his new vessel, Volâjin. Rezan no longer exists to be the Loa of Kings and Queens, even if Volâjin-Rezan-Ashamane end up becoming a whole new Loa together.
Rastakhan has made Bwonsamdi the Loa of Kings and Queens, and Talanji reaffirmed that at the end of Shadowâs Rising, seeing Bwonsamdi not just as an entropic force of Death, but understanding that thereâs a softer shepherding to souls in need.
For those of you who havenât read Shadowâs Rising, I recommend the Audiobook. Because you need to read it to have this discussion.
As for Alliance v. Horde bias, we just need Genn to get punished 1 time for starting the last four conflicts, and honestly everything will be square. Theyâre getting hit hard enough next patch as is.
You mean the book written by a Racist Sexist which has had a lot of it made non-canon since publication? That one? The one where Blizzard have went âYeah, thatâs not actually canon lore or trueâ on a few occasions in just that one novel?
She should stick to writing her NY Times column, at least no one expects to get anything truthful from thatâŚ
I think Iâll pass on taking anything Madeleine Roux states as being serious lore, until Blizzard themselves say that it is actual lore.
Also look up âEldritchâ in the dictionary. That probably wasnât the word you were looking for.
