Yes, that’s exactly what we were discussing, that event was just one such example. There’s also the Kosh’harg etc.
Nobody is picking a fight here, we were just saying how it’s unfortunate that those events are organised to include other races where doing it with just trolls (or just orcs to use the other example) would be also feasible and also potentially way more immersive. You can’t deny that all those events have a specific and strong racial identity and they’re stripped off it a little by letting all the other races in and this was a sentiment echoed in this thread. But as I said in my other post, the organisers are free to do that and I don’t fault the other people from attending when they can attend, though I do applaud those who decide it’s not very fitting for their character and would rather miss out.
It’s called The Dark Crown, although to be fair it is more of an antagonist faction than a fully-fledged guild to throw against our heroes of the month.
To add to the discussion (and be very specific), I would like to see a radical splinter faction of the Kirin Tor, disillusioned by its leadership’s defeatist attitudes and (over)eager to exact vengeance on the Void, and further understanding of hitherto forbidden fields of magic. Believing Dalaran’s destruction is partly (twice-)blamed on the Council’s complacency and cowardice (Kel’Thuzad smiles), they rally in the memory of a bygone Dalaran scholar of shadow magic and brand themselves the Order of Ur.
The themes of the guild would be the duality of power and conscience along with constant philosophical debates concerning virtue and ignorance and the duty of mages today…
I would make this guild if I didn’t head another magical cult, I swear.
Maybe. I understand and agree that races should have events that tailor to their culture, and yeah, it can definitely be beneficial for some to be race-restricted. On the same level, I don’t believe this mindset should apply to all these events.
Kosh’arg, as an example you raise, has long been an incredibly popular, inclusive gathering open to all Horde members. It undoubtedly has heavy Orc themes (as it should!), but part of what makes it so appealing and successful is that every Horde race is welcome to attend and participate.
The one exception is the pilgrimage to Osh’ugun, which is rightly reserved for Orcs alone. That to me is a perfect compromise; as it allows non-Orcs to enjoy the wider festival, while also respecting tradition.
(It’s also damn immersive, giving a fun sense of mystery for our non-Orc characters!)
Of course you raise some good points but, just wanting to be clear by what I assume Jeyce is saying and building from my point and derivatives.
Nobody is or should be disputing that the other organizers or events are allowing other people to attend if they want to do that it’s awesome.
What we was referencing was that they become homogenized because it’s more non-exclusive people / races than the core race that it’s intended for who attend.
Kosh’harg we all know has been around the server as a tradition for a multitude of years and I remember the absolute forum meltdown people had when there was one held in Razor Hill that was for Orcs only. It was really a shame to see.
The recent Darkspear night was an easier example and I would even bring in that the Great Horn gatherings also found themselves victim to a point where it was more of the other races than Tauren who the whole event was tailored to begun to attend I know this because I was dragged to a couple on Felen which I will admit I became part of the issue within.
We’re not saying it shouldn’t happen at all or that; infact I quite love that a lot of them are open to other races to learn but, for more intrapersonal racial things it would be nice to see more of the race that is meant to be represented in their racial theme rather than 5 blood elves, 15 Vulpera, 5 Tauren and then 3 Trolls for a Troll gathering, ceremony, etc.
It would be nicer if people had more open mindedness towards what they’re doing and how their character impacts the vision of a Campaign / Event.
Another example imagine you make a whole event catered to Blood Elves and the remaining ten Blood Elves all want to attend you say that it’s alright for some other people to attend on different characters / races and all of a sudden you only have 3 Blood Elves out of 40 people that attend.
It can really harm the event organizers aim towards their character’s peoples culture and they’re less inclined to do it again.
What we was saying is that we’d like to see more of this racial and tribal exclusiveness towards RP events and organizing. Of course it’s super hard to do right now because Horde already has like 300-400 people left actively Roleplaying. But the point remains the same it’s became a niche when back in the day you’d see a lot more of these things I’d even say circa Legion to BFA you’d have multitude of racial themes, racial events and the likes going on and it was awesome.
Sadly I haven’t got time to go into everything you wrote (I may come back later…)
But to sum up: I partially (though not entirely) agree, and I appreciate your response!
Wait, that really happened? It must have happened during one of my many forum breakies so sorry for the ignorance but I’d assume that with the orc heritage q-line people would be much more open to that.
I, too, share concerns in regards to the over-reliance of Discord. I think it works best as a way for individual guilds to keep in touch with their members and build up a rapport with them over time but the bigger Discords inevitably end up becoming rather chaotic, hard to follow and are generally dominated by whichever users have the most free time to talk there.
Pulling from my personal experience with running a more exclusionary and niche concept, it does demand resilience and perseverance.
Going beyond circumstances like a poor launch timing in terms of my own IRL-availability, the troll RP scene not popping off with the heritage questline like I’d hoped or Talanji’s appearance in the TWW trailer being a placeholder – there’s a strongly stacking debuff of demoralization when one aims to hold even a non-flaky weekly attendance of 4-5 and it doesn’t succeed.
(Although, Legacy of Zul was/is a niche within a niche within a niche – Zandalari Troll Noble/Cabal RP – that doesn’t lend itself easily to casual RP in a world where I can’t sit at the computer till 4 am. More accessible concepts catering to multiple races won’t have the odds stacked against them as much.)
Guild discords are fine to a point, but they should be use as point of contact rather than primary dissemination of guild communication. Much in the way skype, ts, msn:m and the like in the old days were used for the same. The problem is that a certain subset of players (we shan’t speak their name for their ire is irksome and chafing) have latched onto discord as THE organisation platform to the point you have some two-celled heads saying ‘hurr u dont need guild we have discord’.
To that I say - why bother with the guild if you can have some unsubscribed andy in control of a discord community who has no personal investment in the actual game itself and rather is only interested in the expression of power and ego within the server?
Also what you say, they are chaotic, favour the terminally online and those with the biggest pieholes monologuing relentlessly about inane topics unrelated to the community, the server or guild.
They have no accountability either. Moderators and (more problematically) the moderator’s friends are allowed to about all day on anyone and anything but the moment you start asking questions that’s apparently harassment, griefing, ‘being negative’ etc and you are removed without recourse. In game at least you can file a report to a CM about a player potentially breaking the social contract.
Considering we were on this positive track of sharing what concepts we’re cooking…
I guess I’ll elaborate! So the idea came to me as I was thinking about giving Horde roleplay a chance (I haven’t really done much horde-side since my old vanilla days truth be told…) and as I cooked up the concept of Galek here, I started thinking about a guild at the same time because I have been throwing around concepts in my head for the last two or so years.
The idea is to focus on young and inexperienced warriors of the Horde while keeping to the aesthetic of Warcraft of the past. My character will build this warband as basically a replica of the warband his father lead who only trusted certain races and saw them as ‘proven’ so only orcs, trolls, tauren and pandaren would be welcome. I’d like all these choices that I made, aesthetic decisions and so on to be reflected in the roleplay and in the characters so that they could be subejct to change because of roleplay. It extends to classes too as another big theme of the warband would be honor (or at least Galek or his father’s idea of it) so the ‘iffy’ classes would be out - your warlocks, death knights, demon hunters or void users.
So as mentioned the focus is on character growth, on roleplay and interactions that would push the development of individual characters in the guild and the warband as a whole in the process. Things would certainly be rather chaotic or maybe even dire at first, there would be a lot of moving parts (me being the guild leader wouldn’t mean that my character’s leadership would be set in stone etc) as I’d like the roleplay to feel as dynamic as possible. Maybe our characters would be lacking in protective gear so we would happen upon a rookie warrior who also dabbles in the crafts, so we go on adventurers to find resources for him to use in crafting, maybe learn of recipes from other, more experienced craftsmen out there. Maybe the gear they make turns out shoddy for some which leads to some additional problems during combat. Sky’s the limit!
In essence, this is a guild for those who would like to start off from scratch, roll a less involved character concept on the blanker side and go on adventures with other lvl 1 warriors to learn, train and grow together. I think this could be a really fun process to go through in roleplay as I find that a lot of players are too used to starting out characters that are already well-established, well-geared and so on out of fear of losing out on RP.
The concept’s still WIP as I continue to figure out some finer details but I can already say that I managed to infect a few people with optimism and enthusiasm that this thing could work out to the point they rolled characters suitable for this project. Some roleplay has already started to set this all up as I’d like that to also be a natural process because I don’t want the warband to appear out of nowhere.
I have no doubt in my mind that this thing has all the chance of falling apart but I’m confident enough about the idea to give it a try at the very least.
about all day on anyone and anything but the moment you start asking questions that’s apparently harassment, griefing, ‘being negative’ etc and you are removed without recourse. In game at least you can file a report to a CM about a player potentially breaking the social contract.