The real reason removing addons will not work well

The point of an addon like plater being completely open ended is because no one knows what every person wants, for every single player of WoW they prefer some things to be shown in a different way from the next person. That is precisely why addons like plater and weakauras have a gazillion options, because it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a ui for everyone, so instead they are tools to make a UI for you specifically, that is the whole point.

When blizzard is trying to unify everything into one silver bullet they are literally walking into the problem of instead of meeting everyones needs, they meet no ones.

True. However, consider that Blizz is making most specs easier, so maybe it won’t be as important to have very specific buff-tracking icons. At least I hope so.

I also think most players don’t enjoy tweaking every single pixel of their UI. Of those who do use WAs, most just download something like a Luxos pack for their class and are happy with that. Could they play better with a hyper-optimized UI for their spec? Sure, but they just want to play the game.

If you currently hyper-optimize your UI: won’t you be happy that you won’t have to do that anymore in the future? If you’re worried about playing worse because of that, just remember that your competition is equally impacted by that, so you’re not really losing a competitive edge. I actually think it’s better for the game’s competitive side to give everyone the same UI.

That is a ton of “Copium” right there.

Define “most gamers”? Because that dosent exist.

Some want the cast bars in red. Some in green. Some want big bars. Some small bars. Some want it to the left. Others to the right.

If you average all that for “most gamers”, the resulting product is something NOBODY likes because it contains no feature they want. That is not “focusing on what is important”. That is slacking.

99% of games don’t have any addons options nor much UI customization or at all, and millions of people are playing those games.

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Pretty much no other game in the world has the UI customization capabilities that WoW has.

If every gamer wants to create their own UI and would be furious about not being able to do so, I think that’s something one would hear about from non-WoW gamers. But I’ve honestly never heard of non-WoW gamers complain about not being able to customize their UI. Therefore I think only a vocal minority is outraged about Blizzard’s planned combat addon removal.

Don’t you think it’s a bad comparison to compare the interactive complexity of wows characters and all the abilities you, your teammates, and the enemies are using to “other games”?

Yeah call of duty doesn’t need a lot of UI prompts because there are TWO ACTIONS you can take in 1. move 2. shoot your gun. Of course it doesn’t need a lot of UI when you can play it with a joystick and dpad

And without them the game will be most likely still to hard for you :slight_smile:

If you find game which you can literaly Play by pressing 1 Button is to hard ? Well mate have you tried those idle Heroes mobile games ? Maybe auto-play will be more to your liking :slight_smile:

We already know that they are simplifying classes and spec. As for encounters, well, i can only to presume that they will be designed with new reality in mind.

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Every other game simply accepts addons and don’t try to re-invent the wheel.

And especially because if they spend resources on UI customization they cant compete with addon developers.

Other games have also directly hired those same addon devs to implement some UI features ingame.

No other game takes the stupid decision to re-invent the wheel, deliver some garbage and call that “progress”


To play devil’s advocate, they are not even working on it. The designers/engineers working on the UI improvements have overlap with the designers/engineers of other systems as well. The meme “It will cost a raid tier” may be true here, since since Shadowlands we are at only 3 tiers of raiding (and Shadowlands can somewhat excused because of Covid + internal company turmoils).

My guess is that they also want to avoid overencumbering new players with hundreds of features before they even get to level 10. This is something we have to consider. But at the same time they cannot defer the unlocking the UI features to the level cap either.

they are not ‘removing’ addons, they are disabling some functionality addons hook in to at certain points.

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ffxiv does not allow addons, they can at any time nuke you for it.

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False. They got a DBM.

Plus. Have you played FF14? Its super boring.

Plus, plus: if you like FF14 and think its better. Go play that. What are you doing here?

Very excited for the direction they are going. It’s about time they started consolidating and cleaning up the years of mess and class design. Some classes haven’t felt right since the removal of borrowed powers in Legion and SL. And addons like DBM and WA’s should’ve never become the default for designing raid encounters and classes.

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They have 4 months (not 6 months, it’s actually 4 months) to replace DBM,Details, WA and more.

Something they havent done in 20 years.

And people will tell you “they’ll get it right”

Lmao.

wow so much wrong so little time,

1, the game director is on record basically saying ‘dont ask dont tell’ re addons, they are not officially allowed - they exists but are not allowed in the terms

2, whether something is ‘fun’ has no relation on this chat

3, you seem personally hurt - where did they touch you? going from someone mentioning addons in FFXIV to “omg you love it more than wow” amazing. touch grass man.

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I suspect their replacements will be mostly ready for launch but that some classes will be missing the support they need.

I don’t care if its not allowed. People use them anywais with out consequences


Because they are 2 different games.

That is like talking about Soccer and claiming that its fine if players touch the ball with their hands because they do it in Basketball and its OK.

I am not hurt. I am just tired of people mentioning FF14 in wow discussions as if that game has everything figured out
 Which it hasent (cause otherwise you would be playing it)


So its streight up bias if you ask me.

FFXIV’s noclippy and ACT which is basically DBM+details are both overwhelmingly used in all raiding content and solo play on 14, he might be going on record saying dont do it, he obviously doesnt care, that’s why the game doesnt even care about having anti cheat.

FFXIV’s raiding and dungeons are extremely boring as a whole and the jobs have no identity, yet funnily enough, after Midnight, I will have 6 buttons while I have 15 on FFXIV, something I would never have expected to see. Is it a good thing ? It really is not.

People keep mentioning FFXIV but dont actually play the game, stop spreading misinformation.

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not relevant, you seem to lack critical thinking. Funny chat.