It’s funny how splitt the community is on so many things…
For years: “Please reduce button bloat” and “Please make PvP more fair” and “Please fight toxicity in WoW”
Now: “Nooo, don’t reduce buttons on my class!” and “Nooooo, don’t take away my combat addons!” and “Noooo, please don’t get rid of factors that fuel elitism and toxicity such as high-entry barriers and such!”
It’s honestly, pathetic.
But almost nobody is complaining about combat addons, people are complaining about customization addons.
Hekili is dead in the water, and few people care about it, as well as weak auras that assign people. What people are complaining about were customization addons for nameplates, unit frames, and things that helped them display their spells the way they liked.
Btw most of the whining about classes is just here in the forums. Most of the specs actually see the changes as pretty positive. There are just a few outliers that blizzard has gone “too far” in the first pass, and probably will reintroduce some depth.
Most of the specs are pretty similar to how they are now, and some few actually got some depth added to them.
my real and personal opinion is that all kind of addons should be removed from the game and be replaced with something better that comes from the game itself.
what i said above is the start of it.
and believe me if we say player base is 100% only 10% of them wants to keep the addons the other 90 % wants to see a wow without any addon and instead ui-combat and everything that comes from the game itself and can have and work better than any addon
Actually they do. They only do that when you go into absolute idiocy territory ignoring ToS like certain World First Racer that streamed his attempts with the full display of ACT and addons that automatically placed markers to aid in directing the fight or bunch of ERP Venue organizers that went and advertised their event on a real life bilboard but it will happen. They will also step in and end the addon development if they feel is needed with the last loud case being the end of Mare-Synchronus which allowed players to share visual mods applied to their character.
Well duh, everyone believes that having everything in the base ui is better.
What we are saying is that blizzard stated that they are gonna take it slow, improve the base UI and be sure that they are providing a good enough experience, so that down the line when they remove addons, we will have good replacements.
Instead what they did with alpha, is throw a build that breaks most if not all addons, removing everything that impacts the 90% of players and not the 10%, and we are saying that they do not have enough time to put everything in the game until next tier.
People do not disagree that the game would be best if the default ui gave you all the tools and you do not need the addons. What we say is that they do not have the time to deliver on that in 4-6 months.
its okay be positive, im sure they have a good plan for it
No they do not, we all know blizzard. Most people remember shadowlands and how stubborn they are, or how much time they need to iterate on a feature until they release it.
They always put out a mediocre first version of a product/feature, and iterate on it over months, in order to finally make something that is actually good.
They always did that and actually got good results. Everyone is positive with all new additions they add (ok, with the exception of OBR), but they have the luxury of addons keeping the game alive until they make the features.
If they do not follow what they said (remove the addons after we get a suitable alternative first), I doubt that most of the people will stick to a half finished unplayable game until they make it playable again.
Last titan new feature leak:
We remove all classes/races, human only (rest removed cos too complex for the avg joe), 3 roles, tank/healer/dps, each roles has 1 button because in midnight many players struggle with 2-3 buttons. Game saved for the next 1000 years.
all im saying is that they know what they are doing and so far whatever is happening is very good for me personally but years of experience showed me no matter what blizzard do , people will allways play the game .
yes you are right some people will leave some will stay but in the end of the day the game is still alive even with so much problems and broken things or bad decisions.
lets see what will happen in midnight,
Biggest W of blizzard in ages.
Everything so far looks great for Midnight if the story and atmosphere is good we may have the best expansion since legion.
That was 1 extreme case. Everyone else that dosent stream use a DBM and WA.
Plus. That is literally the stance WoW had with addons. When things get out of hand they drop the ban hammer on specific cases.
And crucially, that is the stance many games have with addons. They reserve a “legal card” to decide what is good, and what is bad. But they dont dump resources police every player.
Its too expensive. And they know the consequences: If they ban addons, people will whine that they want that in the base game. And will have to dump resources to do it. And… if it dosent work, bug, or is a bad implementation they will get the heat. Instead of the addon creators.
Name one addon that makes the game worse to play ? No? Is it the fact you’re not good enough for mythic and you cant handle that?
The fact that the baseline advice for a new player is to install 20 or so addons and Weak Auras before they even decide what they want to play as, is already a red flag. And afterwards they’ll still need to set up and tweak those to avoid absolutely cluttering their screen. I’m still unsure if some of mine are actually useful and I’ve been using them for a while. I’ve been told they’re essential though.
Wouldn’t say so. Unless you’re the biggest sweaty static you’re probably not going to bother. You can’t even enforce their use due to fight club mindset and the fact you can’t otherwise tell if someone has it or not since unlike WoW addons don’t communicate with one another.
No no. ChatGTP gave the person the valid link of one streamer being banned. So obviously that IS the case now. Run with the narrative, duh!
In any case this person has been spewing such nonsense, especially about FFXIV in general, I wouldn’t even bother with them.
There’s no way there is this many people left.
It was a loud case because that was during the World First Race and actively caused people to go crazy to the point the devs needed for the nth time remind people that 3rd party add-ons are against ToS and should a player be caught using those they can be banned. They also reminded people that they can only verify those if the players themselves give them proof as they don’t want to install spying software (aka Anti-Cheat) to check everyone’s PCs. More recently there was a case of SE sending DMCA to one of Add-ons developer after geniuses on the biggest (e)RP servers kept using local chat to advertise Venue and the Syncshell code (basically the addon allowed players to share their modified character looks with others if they were in the same “shell”)
Let me be clear.
I use addons, combat addons like DBM, detail and non-combat addons like altoholic, tomtom, postal, etc. I have been using them for over 15 years.
But my stance on addons is very clear: they should be banned. Actually I am against all addons, not just combat addons.
I have been advocating the removal of addons for long time. This was my post over 3 years ago.
That was over 3 years ago. It ready got a lot of debate back then. And many agrees with it.
Addons have been a problem for too long. Blizzard just starts to tackle it.
Im absolutely looking forward to the game not needing addons anymore, one of the most annoying things was being forced to download addons and having them consistently break, so long and good riddance tbh.
Updating addons took at best 5 to 10 minutes of your time, less now that if you use curseforge, you don’t have to do it manually. This is true even if you had 100s of addons.
The loss is not worth the gain.
I dont like using addons at all, just like I dont like modding single player games, mods/addons should not be needed for a game to function and this is a great step by Blizz.
The loss is definitely worth the gain, Blizz shouldnt be listening to the minority on the direction of the game and trying to make it harder because the vocal minority like to use addons to play the game for them.