Can’t have people access stuff unless they suffer like we do!
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Not even that 
Because they will all say the same thing:
“I enjoy learning my rotation and pressing my buttons… But I don’t want someone else get it easier!! Because then everyone will feel forced to play with it!!!”
Why are people so obsessed with what other people do or don’t do… Especially in content they’re not even actively participating in.
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there’s absolutely no need to restrict its use in any content. to make the sba work in higher difficulty content, there’s still alot of other skill and knowledge required… people who are not up for the task without sba, are not up to the task with sba either. those players will be filtered out at some level, and when forming a group you typically dont invite players who’ve done a +8 as highest key to a +12. people who run into issues with severly underperforming players using sba, would’ve ran into the same issues if there was no sba whatsoever.
The problem is actually that “SBA people” aren’t that static. It’s not “they either use it, or they don’t”. If only this were the case, you would be right here.
Every time a DPS underperforms…people now start to wonder whether SBA was used. Just get rid of SBA in at least M+ for good. M+ is way too dynamic for SBA to be of any value, in the majority of the cases (there are exceptions, I guess).
For raids, it’s prob a bit more of use…and there I’d still say it’s a “git gud” matter (for anyone not using SBA).
Why? And does it matter for the key if they used OBR?
Did you run around before questioning whether your bad performing dps were using Hekili og whatever rotation helper addons exist?
I simply don’t agree. We shouldn’t alienate and gatekeep content from people. M+ has this very nice design that it scales infinitely, so people will find their place compared to skill level.
And as I mentioned before, DPS is not the only factor determining whether a key is timed or not. So “bad players” using OBR will hit their limit and you will be able to see it.
“How can you see it if we don’t mark them???”
Simple, you can see how many keys they’ve timed in the brackets through raider io… If they have dozens of timed keys between 12-14 for your +12 DFC does it really matter to you then, whether there is a risk that they use OBR or not?
Imagine blaming everything on a button instead of just working together and clearing the instance…
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For some reason it seems people are scared that their rio will now feel “less cool” if people using OBR can now get it.
Just like how some mount farmers are complaining about the buffed drop chance because it feels their RNG casino runs have now been “diminished”
So instead of actually wonder if OBR is useful, they will rather just blame every made up fail scenario in high end keys on people using OBR and how bad of players they are
Yes. Because OBR is quite terrible for dynamic content like M+. Priority targets, constantly changing pull-sizes, constant moving, etc etc. Using OBR in somewhat higher keys is just plain trolling, imo.
Yep. Or whether they were boosted, if their experience did not match their performance.
Again, it’s not a binary “people use it, or they don’t”. They can decide at any given point to use it. And that is where it becomes problematic.
But ok, they will mark people who often leave in the future. Perhaps we should also mark players who perform horribly (either plain output, or the lack of using utilities).
No I meant… If your dps is performing bad… Does it matter if its because of A or B? The result is exactly the same?
What does it change for the key, if the guys is just bad or if he is using OBR?
So, in reality, nothing has changed for you? The reality is the same… You will still meet “bad” players and you will still question A, B or C… So why exclude some people based on assumptions ?
Exactly. But difference is, you want them to ban OBR from M+ due to your black/white picture of it assuming players that use it are bad… Essentially making the game mode unplayable for certain people all together, whereas the game mode itself offers a linear path that WILL exclude them from higher end that you are doing at some point.
Disagree.
Statements like this make me really confused, because there’s another thread on this forum, where half the people taking part in the discussion claim that a person using SBA outperforms 75% of heroic raiders 
No, that’s not what I said. I said that M+ is way too dynamic for OBR to be of any use (with some exceptions).
They don’t claim that, they repeat Bellular who used that clickbait title based on some “simple math” (or whatever he used for words exactly). His math, however, looked like it was based on a lot of assumptions.
That is exactly what you said?
I did warn you about Daylen, that they believe they’re right and everything you say is wrong.
It’s best to add that person onto your ignore list. He’s someone not worth putting in any form of effort into trying to converse with.
Hey Daylen the sky is blue!
Daylen: No, it’s pink!
Also, I see we have a new Daylen in the thread, Magiola! Let’s see how smooth their brain is after reading everything with a new cup of tea!
“…assuming players that use it are bad…”
You filled in the reason. That reason was wrong…
Then you’ll have to explain this:
Because that is what I interpret this to mean.
They do make a very valid point, Magiola.
What are the exceptions, and why is it too dynamic to use OBR in M+?
Just looking over your character on Raider IO, you don’t really seem to be doing anything of a higher key to really worry about people using OBR. Anything below +10 is perfectly fine for OBR to be used.
In essence, are you trying to block people who have a mental & psychical disability from being able to enjoy the game a bit more, than what they were used too?
Nothing there implies that players are bad for using it. Just that OBR is not suitable for the content they do.
Heck, they can even pull numbers which are decent enough with OBR. But the problem then is…is it on the right target? In some packs, this can be the difference between our virtual life and death (at least higher on).
But it does? Why is M+ “too dynamic” ? And why is there “expections” ?
I read it as “People are not capable of adapting their use of OBR, unless they are skilled enough”.
So I again, ask you to elaborate if I understand it wrong.
And why do this concern you? If you believe that you’re superior to those using it, shouldn’t you be doing higher content than them? Shouldn’t you be focusing on yourself, rather than someone who is doing a lower form of higher content, than yourself?
Not really, from all the M+ runs, it’s mostly all AOE, an interrupt here & there, which can be done by 2 people without any issue. Raiding, again not an issue. So you seem to be grasping at straws, which don’t exist 