The state of arena queues

PVP Arenas
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Back then in bfa, you could see lfg list being full of healers and dps, at mostly all kind of cr, without it being cross faction, you could queue at about any hours and still not meet only one or two teams

You had an alive game and many people played

Now, at the same hour, in late night, even with lfg being cross faction there is less than 5 teams looking for a mate.

Shuffle ruined pvp
Shuffle ruined lfg
Shuffle gives the easy way rating so that noobs then think they have the level of being duelist or even elite

Save the game, delete rated shuffle, bring back non rated shuffle, and inflate 2v2 and 3v3 mmr.

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Cope and delusion. Nobody wants to play 2s and 3s. It will make the 500 people that play ladder queue more, and make 20000 people quit.
They should instead find ways to motivate healers to queue to reduce dps queue times, and inflate all brackets. And add Shuffle RBGs.

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How can you reduce queue time when healers would rather /afk than continue playing with literal noobs in shuffle?

You’re saying no one wants to 2s or 3s, while as a dps you’d wait 50 minutes to get a lobby in shuffle, since literally no one wants to queue there

Shuffle is so random and so badly designed it has to stop giving you titles

If you want a tmog or an Elite title you do 2s and 3s, I know it can be hard, but getting an achievement is supposed to be a challenge

There is literally no one playing the game right now in 2s and 3s, and that is only because of shuffle

SL s3 : 2.4 in 2s top 3000 ( sometiems 5000 )

Now ? top 50.

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I guess that shuffle for healers is only good, if they reduce the damage and the amount of MS effects. Just don’t let dampening and MS/heal effects stack.
Oh and maybe reduce the amount of cc paired with the removal of cc categories. So every cc Stars triggering the DR.

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Just make healers invulnerable in arenas, do infinite damage and auto 3 months ban anyone who dares to say anything bad to them between solo shuffle rounds.

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Hey,

blaming solo shuffel for low activity and also for destroying the game is just not correct.
Have u played shadowlands season 3 and especially season 4? Than u should know that activity during that time was at an all time low.

The problem goes deeper than just solo shuffel beeing the reason why noone is playing.

First of all, solo shuffel got implemented because people were tired of sitting lfg for hours. And also the high requirments people had/have to take you from lfg made it nearly impossible to login and play. It was more like, sitting 5 hours in lfg and do something else until someone applies. On top of that all, arena was befor shuffel, a social grind - u could be good or talented. If u dont grind for seasons or take some money, the chance that u would have played with s tier players was going to 0!

So what solo shuffel did- it allowed people to go on a grind -solo , without having to give someone money or social grind up, to be able to archive something and compete with the best players.

Now that beeing said, that doesnt mean that solo shuffel is perfect and it needs defintly some good reworking and adapting to make it enjoyable for everyone. And yes the activity from 2s and 3s is lower because of shuffel. I agree with you on that.

However, with all that beeind said: There is more important problems than solo shuffel.
Everything, solo shuffel, 2s , 3s and rbg Q´s depending on how many people play the actually game.

The current system requires a player too do so much to beeing able to actually play the game.

Just addons, interface, keybinds, macros, talents - Just this points alone can be exhausting for an average andy if he wants to play.

No 15 or 16 year old boy is interested in config some interface and addons for hours just to be able to play the game properly and thats just an example.

I could writte on this list for hours to clear up why nobody wants to play this game unless u already conquered the game.

So blizzard should focus on, how to bring more new players to play wow arena.
That means they need to adress the audience between 14-20. Is it my job too think about how to adress and attract the new gamers from tomrrow? nope but blizzards.

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wow in its design is not made for new players, especially the pvp part.
even if u leave out UI settings and addons it takes most people years to get used to wow and to be comfortable in pvp. i even have two friends that play wow for a decade and they arent able to push past 1.6k. tbf they are mosty pve players but still. most of new players quit due to frustration long before they get even remotely used to arena.

and shuffle surely doesnt help new players. if u have zero exp and ur solely exposed to a 3s format bc nobody plays 2s ur screwed. 3s is way to overwhelming for new players.

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Its not “hard” to reach any rating or title in 2s or 3s compared to shuffle, because you meet the exact same players in both brackets after a certain rating.
It’s “hard” to find people to play with a form a team, you have to dedicate your life to the game, nobody has time for this except maybe a few nostalgics or people with not much going on, less then 1000 probably in the entire EU.
I can’t play 2s or 3s, I take 2-3 month breaks from the game, then come back, play a few days, then quit again or play an alt etc. I wouldn’t wait 2 months for any guy either, so I don’t expect people to do that for me.
I could do that when I was 14-15 years old and played daily with friends, now I’m 28, cant happen anymore.

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May be i’m missing something but what is difference between sitting in shuffle q for 20-40 mins (doesnt matter what mmr 1800 or 2700) to play awful games were random has more value than in bfa corruption season
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sitting in lfg for 10 mins or 1 hour as META SPEC to find and play META COMP with coordinated teamplay and if it is good mmr/cr u could have good quality games compared to soloshuffle rn
and if teammate is good u can add him and achieve 1.8/2.1/2.4 which is not hard at all, 1.8 even could be done in 1 evening

But yeah, people who didn’t have time to sit in lfg now for some reason have time to sit long shuffle queue, where even to push 1.8 u need significantly MORE TIME than to do it in 2s for example

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Solution?

30-50min ques are too long, 2/3s are more deflated than before when shuffle vacuuming players

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Yeah, why is PvP dead?

Because the game does absolutely nothing to support new players wanting to try competitive PvP.

They get destroyed by meme specs when they try random BGs.
They get flamed and harassed when they try shuffle.
The UI tells them nothing.
Gearing is confusing and takes too long.
They need addons and macros.

And so on.

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the state with entire pvp as of now is bad, nobody wants to heal shuffle, dps suffers 40min ques, 2/3s are deflated beyond reasonable when shuffle is vacuuming players

the situation is bad beyond and there is not single good option here for future of pvp in wow unless something is done, just anything needs to be done to begin remedy it to some path whichever it is that they choose to cut

and by god let the df season 2 be the last one when they do something so stupid as artificially kill participation from the start, i dont want to be in another season in retail where people come play the last month after quit on rest

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Wouldnt just doing a fix to how healers gain rating from shuffle fix alot of the problems with healers not wanting to que? I myself havent played much shuffle since it’s not my cup of tea personally compared to constructed 3v3, but it seems to be one of the biggest annoyances for healers from what i’ve been told

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The Current Pacing isnt fun either

some classes are also overloaded with Spells right now

idk, Blizzard did with Legion a better job, when it comes to Class Gameplay, and how simple every Class was

2 of my Reallife Friends dont wanna Touch Retail, because before u can play Pvp without getting Stomped, u have to read a Lord of the Rings novel, because of so many Spells

and to track these spells a spaceship interface addon is required

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You’re delusional to compare SL to DF 2s 3s arenas

I pushed 2.7 in 2s at 3 am and met multiple teams

Right now I’m 2.4 in 2s, impossible to get less than 5 minutes queues, same team over and over again

In SL pvp was so nice, s2 was the best season ever to be, everybody did pvp, it was beautiful… Now we have 3.3k xp ( shuffle ) rets that when we say " don’t dr the healer ! " he says " but I am not sick why would I see a doctor "

Please

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i really miss that season.

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blinding lights dots off everything right after affli in team darkglared

same guy who say to my friend “u magic?” which my bit strict friend reply “u is not a word” and the guy gets angry “ofc i r not a word”

gl play with them :slight_smile:

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So what you are saying is proving my point. LOL

Let me rephrase what you just said :

" Me bad at game, me no play a lot, BUT ME WANT ACHIEVEMENT THAT PEOPLE GET IF PLAY THE GAME, me smart. Me like shuffle, because shuffle help bad player like me get the same results as someone who plays more than me. Me happy. Me will buy new 6month + mount pack. Me smart. "

Let’s be serious for a second. You’re saying you cannot behave anymore like a 14-15 years old. Yet you’re acting like a 10 years old child who is crying to get something only for the sake to have it, without deserving it. You are a part of the problem and the reason why wow is dying.

You can still unsub and not play if the game’s way of reward doesn’t fit how you’re living, mr " I have a life ".

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how is 28 even old im 38. :joy: i was doing everything else than feeling old when i were on 20’s all the way to 35

i guess its relative, his closing 30 so he feels old now. soon comes the guy 50 and calls everyone young snappers :joy: :turtle:

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Gearing is confusing and takes too long.

Nonsense, it’s faster than it’S ever been, you can literally make a functional character within a day. The rest? Yup.

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