As the GM of the dwarves in question, we are not a sizeable military band of dwarves nor do we pretend to be. The fight(s) were very much skirmishes, arguably even smaller than a ‘skirmish’.
There is also events worth of context behind these skirmishes which I can clearly tell you’re lacking.
Sometimes it helps to ask questions and just engage with stuff in RP opposed to being pressed from the get-go.
He was delicious.
I dunno, lot of interesting takes, really. Have to add my agreement to the noise of saying the writing for the Horde is just… crap, isn’t it. There’s no identity, there’s nothing to be excited about, and it’s almost inconceivable to the writers that we don’t need every quest and interraction to be cross-faction, nor do we need everyone to learn how to get along and share.
Still, I do hate to doom, and I think there’s certainly something to be said of creating RP despite the issues, but there then you need to be able to allow for people to work some stories around what is currently the present lore status.
We could adhere 100% to the truce and disallow conflict ever again, but let’s be honest, no one seems to be enjoying doing that, do they.
And stop assuming malice or some secret attempt to ‘control and monopolise the RP’ when people do attempt something!
E: I am talking in a general sense here, so if reading this makes one think ‘but that is not what I do or think’, then… I do not mean you, do I.
Trying to think about it more, and with mentions of Identity…
What even is the Horde ID anymore? It’s barely ‘ragtag bunch of misfits standing together as the underdog against the odds’; you have two literal kingdoms (Quel’thalas, Zandalar), an arcane powerhouse of a City State (Surumar) and then… literally everyone else.
Heck, what’s the individual racial identies anymore?
Orcs? Well, they found their spiritualism again with/post WC3, so that’s background if anything. There’s the whole ‘muh honour’ thing, which is… confused, since BFA. What’s honourable and what isn’t? They’re not the dumb brutes of WC1 and 2 anymore, but they’re still a bit in a corner.
Tauren? Well… Orcs but a bit more hippie? Darkspear feel like they’ve got left behind for the huge focus on Zandalari. Goblins at last got rid of the World Worst Boss, but then got left hanging. Vulpera are kinda just tacked on there as well (no shade on them, I like Vulpera but they’ve had no additional detail added in).
The more I think about it, the more I’m inhaling Hopium for some lore and characterisation updates, come the new Trilogy ._.
We really be feasting over here fr
Dear lord, near 100 new replies since last I looked, what happened?
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Yes, because how else am I to engage when asked a question about what you are playing at IC with HURR DURR KNOW YOUR STATION SUCH AND SUCH WARLORD I’VE NEVER HEARD OF IS ABOVE YOU. With love and respect, there’s no point engaging at that point. I stood like a statue because when I’d first approached before you’d turned up, some rando Tauren called me a jester because I questioned the point of two Tauren going ham on each other in the dirt in the middle of Orgrimmar. Is it alright for whoever this old Orc is pissing about in Arathi to be a grumpy bugger cuz he has a bunch of guilds round him, or are we all allowed?
I didn’t fancy standing around arguing the finer points of truce breaking when your mind had been made up and you had a guild behind you to back you up, maybe if you engaged in good faith, this wouldn’t have happened in the first place.
Who’s demanding anything? A lot of assumptions in this post. I wanted a dialogue we got one, without the odd person seeing their rear.
To be fair, the quality of the writing is not the debate, this is all still Elf centric. It gives you talking points IC. Like it or not. It’s better than a racial armor questline with a kosh’arg people proceed to not follow the lore for and nothing else. I mean Orcs have more than Goblins, but still, there’s a massive imbalance in who gets anything written for them.
See above. I engaged and some Orc acted like a nobhead for lack of a better word, and being that my idea of roleplay is not my entire characters station being questioned by randos, it lost me from the start.
If you mean OOC, then why would I ask, it doesn’t remotely interest me OOC, If you wanna stand around in whites or auto attack only and hit each other for an hour, go nuts, RP-PVP is a slog for me, and I’ve never found it interesting. I asked IC for an explanation and was roundly insulted. At that point, how is the onus on me to engage when I’m being met with hostility. An argument every so often in character is fine, but on the Horde it inevitably ends up being Guild gang ups or an interminable roll battle.
I refer yourself and Malgruz to this post above.
If anything, the armistice makes little RP-PVP clashes more immersive because 10-20 adventurers on both sides whacking each other and duking it out is about what you’d expect to be happening.
Well then they’re not Horde or Alliance allegedly, and I understand why OOC but IC, why would either be in capital cities openly talking about it? Can’t speak for the Alliance side, but as the fellow above has clearly outlined, the Horde side do do this. On the orders of a Warlord (Guild GM) who I am supposed to respect the rank of despite them diametrically opposing the current truce. Any talk of skirmishes are in books that I’m not paying 30 quid to buy and read, and are also outdated as of DF anyway.
Hot take but everything RPers do is miniscule in scale and completely inconsequential in the world. Not just because of how static the game is, but due to everything being scaled down for the convenience of making it playable. Even 25 guilds/300 players whacking each other in Tiragarde Sound or Arathi Highlands is just some rando warbands settling a grudge at a random field or township because every region, zone and settlement is far bigger in the lore.
You can go huff and puff about the armistice and truce all you want but even if the entire RP community mobilized to commit to a campaign itll be nothing more than a minor skirmish, a minor footnote as far as anyone with influence is concerned. Noone will bat an eye, noone will take action if its discussed in Orgrimmar and noone will get arrested or court-martialled because the only people these events and stories affect are those who attend them.
Reiterating that the conditions of this truce/armistice/peace are so vague that putting too much thought into it - especially for the sake of preventing others from engaging in PvP anyway - is a pointless effort.
There have been points in the history of the game before where the conditions were similar, but PvP still happened. The leadership has bigger fish to fry.
Yeah I simply don’t think Thrall will go
Raugh… these 20 hooligans killed a dwarf… death sentence…
Skirmishes are not either just in books, all of the bgs are cannon. This whole thread is you ever posting about your pov on why rp should be how you see it and people telling you for the hundred time that you are wrong. If IC wise your orc will not consider them part of the Horde then so be it but their actions are not against the lore.
This too, yeah. After the start of the truce we were told alterac valley is an ongoing battle, in df after the timeskip a horde and alliance npc talk about how mere months ago they’d be slaughtering each other on the battlefield instead of being with the dragonscale expedition.
The truce isn’t a total end to all conflict and never has been.
Nor is anyone enforcing the truce an omnipotent, omnipresent entity. Whatever RP-PvP occurs in Ashenvale doesnt engulf the entire region into open warfare, its a gaggle of militias and mercenaries assisting one of the many Warsong lumber camps (theres more in the lore, yet only 2-3 in-game) in a tremendous forest.
People really like to forget this when they start bellowing about how faction conflict is against the lore.
If you honestly think people are still fighting in the eye of the storm as one example, or Arathi Basin post BfA, please point me to where it states this. The BGs cannot be removed from the game as removing features makes zero sense. This infers the Horde and Alliance are still fighting over Azerite. Warsong Gulch and Alterac are the only ones where there might be some leeway, the rest is your opinion.
Not at all. This is you malding because I have a different opinion to you, as was your last spikey post. By all means, DO WHAT YOU WANT.
The only people telling me I’m straight up wrong are people partaking in this. Maybe it’s me but your opinion might be slightly skewed.
It’s not what he does and doesn’t consider, it’s the fact they then walk into Orgrimmar and get uppity when questioned on their motives. You seem to read a lot of my intent based on your own biases, with respect, if you can’t talk civilly, stop replying to me, lol.
Again, it’s open to interpretation. I’ve never not once said don’t do it. All I’ve said is just don’t try and push it on people who don’t want anything to do with it, then get mad OOC when called out for it IC.
Well, given the context is groups of twenty are tearing chunks out of each other, then they turn up in Orgrimmar talking about how they’ve slain a bunch of Dwarves during a perceived period of peace and we’re just supposed to act like that’s not a bit dodgy. Like what.
The only people replying to me saying this sort of thing are the people partaking in it to justify it. I already correct myself when I said it’s against the lore, but it is however, a bit rich to do it and then boast of it in the middle of a city where some people might think it’s probably not moral in the current climate. Nobody is stopping anyone doing what they want and the more you and the two above keep replying like I’m trying to hold a gun to your heads and telling you to stop running around auto attacking each other for a couple of hours is delusional, to be frank.
There’s no point engaging a lot of your in character because you’re backed by 5, 10 guild members whenever you turn up anywhere that’s not where you’ve been fighting because even if I say something, I’ll just get verbally dogpiled as a dissenting voice. It’s utterly pointless for me to engage at that point unless I want to get pissed on IC for half an hour.
My only aim with this thread was to try and garner some alternative. And maybe I can’t do it on my own, I don’t know, but I really don’t get these snippy replies.
I am not pissing on your kids at Christmas, I have a different opinion than you on roleplay, that’s it. There’s LITERALLY no need to talk to me like a c-word.
That’s just because it isn’t dodgy. You’re free to ostrichmaxx about it but as I stated above, it’s clear battles are still openly happening. Just not on the world war scale of BfA.
(You are of course free to find it dodgy IC but then others are also free to find your character weird IC)
Yes they do because it is still cannon, you can try to argue with it but it is part of the game and has not disproven, same with Warsong Gulch who is also claimed in the same books. You can once again tell me that it is not, but it is. The narrative of an expansion can be elsewhere but that doesn’t remove the value of the resources that the Horde and the Alliance fight for in those bgs.
Them getting uppity or not is their IC and you are basically mad OOC because they are the way they are.
The only omnipotent and omnipresent entity I recognize is the Q and as he says “If you can’t take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home, and crawl under your bed. It’s not safe out here! It’s wondrous… with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it’s not for the timid.”
Sorry, couldn’t help myself, end of derailment, as you were.
Aha, a Star Trek enjoyer! ( reminds me I ought to watch the last two seasons of Picard still…)