strong classes can compensate for weak ones and boosters run content with dead people, so participation doesn’t make a class viable.
and according to you statistics and logs are irrelevant so I guess we’re in an awkward situation where it’s impossible to tell objectively if a class outperforms another
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I mean if players pushing world first and theorycrafters from every class say that Mistweaver is viable (and when it’s played in good guilds) then it probably is 
the same people who run +20 and the last few mythic bosses say it’s far worse than shaman. “viable” is a meaningless statement
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well that’s the thing
shaman is a stronger spec, no one is denying that.
but the problem is that people in here are saying that MW is unviable or bad when it really isn’t.
by that logic no spec has ever been truly unviable, they just had an unquantifiable handicap that needs to be compensated for by the rest of the group.
the argument that this only matters in top tier raiding is also terrible. most groups are not ideal and when you’re pugging a +10 with average groups, the difference between healer classes becomes painfully apparent
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If you are having problems with MW in +10’s, then it’s the people… not the class. I can pug 17/18’s just fine and I have not run into any issues related to my class.
do you do 10+s and hc/mythic raiding on any other healer class currently?
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No, I don’t.
I have said this like 50 times and I am not sure why people don’t get it.
Mistweaver is indeed weaker than some healer specs. But the difference between those specs and Mistweaver is not as big as people believe it to be. It would make a lot more sense to nerf those specs than to buff Mistweaver, because Mistweaver is honestly fine balance wise. We do comparable HPS and damage to other healers (our damage is lower if every healer spends the entire fight DPSing, but on most fights we do more damage because we lose nothing by pumping out DPS while other healers do).
The people on these forums are saying the spec is unviable or has mana issues when it could not be further from the truth. I have said multiple times that it’s a problem with the player and not the class. Mistweaver in SL is a lot harder to play properly than in BFA, and as a result, most people playing it are performing much worse than they would have otherwise. This leads to people thinking the spec is weaker, despite the fact that it’s better than it was in BFA. If people actually put the effort into learning the class instead of playing sub-par talents and not enchanting their gear, maybe they wouldn’t struggle with mana or do so little healing. If you are not utilizing your spells properly then you will oom yourself faster than other classes. If all you do is spam vivify, you will oom. If all a shaman or paladin does is spam healing surge of flash of light, they will go oom. It’s just more punishing for Mistweaver players nowadays because they are not used to the gameplay changes.
If you somehow think Heroic or +10’s are relevant in any way whatsoever for class balance, then you have no business asking for buffs/nerfs. The game is not balanced around Heroic or +10 keys, and your personal performance in those areas of the game does not represent the strength of the class as a whole.
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Unless its a l2p issue of course
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Yes, also this.
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The participation rate of MW in mythic raids is literally 1%, what’s your excuse for that , can’t dismiss those people as just “running heroic or m+10” can you? Ah but you don’t really care about reality, you’re just a troll here to pretend you’re superior to people because you’re slightly further ahead in a videogame. What a child.
Also what a ridiculous concept “it’s not worse than before so it’s fine”. What a depressing, uncreative state of mind.
Quote me saying it was unviable, do it. Literal strawman garbage, can’t even read properly but here you are trying to patronize others.
And yes, by ANY METRIC, Mistweavers are underperforming most healers.
Yet virtually no one brings them to the raids 
Then it should get buffed. Stop trolling these forums to try and belittle people for wanting a better, more balanced game. Holy crap imagine spending your time doing this in a videogame forum
In essence "Hurr it’s ok for a class to be worse and you don’t get to say anything unless you play the game like a full time job. "
nevermind how utterly awfully it’s doing in pvp and virtually no guilds bring it to push realm/region/world firsts. nothing to see here. Even the top players don’t know anything, only the forum contrarians who have no insight but “everything is perfect” should
Can’t make this crap up
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The participation rate of MW in mythic raids is literally 1%, what’s your excuse for that , can’t dismiss those people as just “running heroic or m+10” can you? Ah but you don’t really care about reality, you’re just a troll here to pretend you’re superior to people because you’re slightly further ahead in a videogame. What a child.
MW and monk as a whole has always been underplayed. The popularity of a class is not an indication of how good it is. Druid is the most played class… does that mean druid is always the best healer? 14000 shamans have killed Mythic Shriekwing, more than doubling the amount of Disc priests that have killed it. Does that mean Disc is bad? Or does it mean priest just isn’t as popular as Shaman is? I took a quick look at when MW was the best spec without a doubt (Mythic Archimonde) and there were only 884 MW parses for that fight compared to the 2019 disc parses, 1866 hpal parses, 1439 shaman parses, and 1102 rdruid parses.
Quote me saying it was unviable, do it. Literal strawman garbage, can’t even read properly but here you are trying to patronize others.
Who said I was talking about you specifically? MW has been called unviable and “not good enough” more than once in these threads.
Then it should get buffed. Stop trolling these forums to try and belittle people for wanting a better, more balanced game. Holy crap imagine spending your time doing this in a videogame forum
It would be better for the game if the other specs were nerfed. There is very little difference between healer specs. I am telling people they should try to learn how to play the spec before asking for buffs, as well as saying that if all you do is Heroic, then you are not in a position to ask for changes as the game is not balanced around the content you do.
I will never understand why someone who doesn’t play the game thinks he is in a position to ask for buffs for a spec he clearly has no idea how to play. You literally have no clue how the individual classes actually perform in the content where it matters, so what are you doing?
My man you are literally 5/10 heroic. Whatever class you play is literally completely irrelevant in heroic and you can do fine with anything.
MW is one of the harder classes to do well on right now. It used to be pretty easy as everything was reactive and there wasn’t much spell choice, but with our new CD and better performance of Rising Mist and Fistweaving legndaries, it’s a lot harder for newer players to actually get a proper grasp of. Not to mention it can be pretty unforgiving because our spells do cost a lot of mana. If you are not using your spells correctly, then it’s quite easy to oom yourself.
Of course it is. this isn’t some random sample where classes are picked based on people’s preferences that can include weighting based on playstyle, looks and other superficial traits of the class. These guilds run multiple alts, they choose the comps based on performance, this statement is complete nonsense. You clearly don’t know how to look at data, funny for someone who thinks so highly of themselves
Because you’re responding to my thread
Ah yes because as we all know, you can only use your brain if you are progressing in mythic raids.
Aaaaand doubling down on other people’s achievements (nevermind how I haven’t raided in 2 weeks) to try and ignore their claims. Very logical, totally not clear cut fallacy. And again completely ignoring the fact that top guilds are just overwhelmingly 24/25 not bringing a single Mistweaver for the race
Me
Class feels unrewarding
You:
Well you’re not even in x arbitrary state of progression so you (along with the majority of the spec’s players who have voiced their opinions) don’t get to talk
Again a clear sad troll
Okay, so guilds not bringing MW for the race means it’s bad? Guilds participating in the WFR will always pick THE best class as long as it’s just 1% better than the next best.
When the GM of the best guild in the world LITERALLY tells you that Mistweaver is perfectly fine for all content outside of the WORLD FIRST RACE, do you think he is lying? For once in your life, please listen to players who are better than you.
If you don’t do Mythic, then you are not in a position to ask for buffs for a game that’s balanced around Mythic.
Idc if you ask for changes or reworks… but saying the spec is bad or needs buffs? Actually delusional.
X spec being worse than others does not mean it needs to be buffed. There will always be something that’s better.
If you want to call me a troll rather than face the fact that you are terrible at the game and don’t understand how it works, then by all means go ahead.
Once again I am baffled at how stupid some of the people on these forums are.
Bro, are you tying to move mountain? Community opinion is set, embrace it, don’t agree, but accept as given fact.
Mistweaver, exists in this state ‘not good, not terrible’ for last 2 expansion, and it seems it will be in this state during SL, so by the end it will be 6 years of playing same spec. People are tired from this. Spec didn’t receive so much anticipated rework. And MW was a good healer in PvP, some season are close to the best, now we have lost out strong position in PvP too.
WoW ‘balance’ based on rotation of imbalanced specs, so MW was good at MoP, it was 3 expansion ago, now it’s our turn to rule, but NO, need to wait 2 years again.
That’s why people complain on MW state.
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