The struggle with getting into PVP, from a returning pvpers perspective

This will act as my thoughts on leaping back into pvp as someone with previous experience (casually) and the struggles for friends that recently started playing.

A bit of backstory: I PVP’d fairly much up until mop, when personal rating were introduced. Playing somewhat on my own got harder from that point on. I couldn’t sell arena wins for gold etc unless I wanted to deal with the hassle of lowering my rating to keep on doing that. I’ve always been a huge fan of playing several classes and specs, so I could never stick to a main only.

I have been playing on and off every expansion, mainly moving into M+ instead of arena and it’s been fun. But with dragonflight, some of my PVP friends returned to the game. After they told me its easy to gear, or at least gear to “begin” pvping, I said why not and joined. The current gearing for pvp is brilliant (buy green pvp set from professions/ah > get blue gear with honor > get epic gear from conquest). That deserves a topic of it’s own.

When we started to play pvp however, I quickly felt overwhelmed… I have to look over PVP talents that I were oblivious to (not that fact that they were a thing, but I knew none of them) and then learn every other specs what PVP talents they tend to use. This is already the first big red flag for a returning player, and a even bigger one for new players I would guess. Not a fan of PVP talents in the slightest. Bad game design imo. There shouldn’t be a “version of the game” that is different to my class & spec. I get my toolkit and that’s it. Not a “you can only use that in PVP”…

Then I meet heavy pet builds and I am just overrun by nameplates and an chaotic stampede and I completely panic because I have no way of dealing with 10-30 pets suddenly on me + I can’t see what’s going on anymore because of NAMEPLATES and damage numbers everywhere. Having a “pet build” where you deck out your pet is fine. Having a herd of pets is not. Yes, I’m talking about both BM pets and ESPECIALLY demo locks. I don’t get what’s fun with pet builds, but that’s besides the point. The sheer chaos they introduce in a pvp setting is overwhelming and tragic.
The point of this pet rant is not specifically “pet builds are dumb” (which they are) but more some hate on the UI of the game and how pets work. How a pet behaves is not obvious and it varies quite a lot. Warlock pets seems to be able to get rooted and frozen… Hunter pets seems immune to everything.

And with all this UI improvements in the spotlight these days, give the PVP UI some love. You are dependant on Gladius or sArena to have proper info about the enemy team in arena. When an addon is required, then its about time to implement their features into the base game. I wish I could play wow without any addons, that just aint the case in most end game content. This is a big part as to why MDI & AWC is hard to watch also. Why aren’t there an icon for each specific DR for example? DR indicators are non-existent in the game without an addon. Same with simple things in PVE. Why aren’t DR an indicatior on PVE mobs? Like what mobs can and cannot be CC’d? Do I really have to “learn by doing” or get an addon for this HUGE part of the game? I think these are core features that needs to be improved on.

With dragonflight I have introduced some new friends to wow, and it’s been hard to having to explain a lot of these things to them. They struggle with picking up a class and a spec, they would never get into pvp. They are competitive guys, but getting into pvp for a new player is the same as getting into a huge series or anime… When you have to watch/look up 30+ seasons you just wont do it.

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for a new/returning player i would advise to learn ur own specc first.
i for example know the basis of what other speccs do but i dont know their builds or pvp talents.
against locks u can deactivate minor pets. there is also a addon that makes it possible to toggle off certain nameplates which would sure help. not an expert with that addon tho nor do i know how its called. dont use it myself.
if u wanna get comfortable with pvp the best things to do is prob to watch experienced people play ur specc and ye to just spam games.

Im not really looking for advice. Just pointing out an issue I think everyone has. I do see similar comments on most “issues” being posted anywhere about wows interface, and there’s always people saying “an addon will handle this better”, that’s my point tho, it shouldnt be the answer. An addon shouldn’t be necessary. If it isn’t fixed in the “default settings”, then it should be options available to me to adjust it without having to install an addon. An addon-free competitive experience must be possible. Anything else is just silly.

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nobody play wow without addons for 18 years now, if u think addons are cheating u propably better elsewhere

but many people are waiting to leave this ship soon so welcome i guess

Never said addons are cheating?

This is what the forums experience is? People taking their time to post feedback and the playerbase make negative comments that are either “its been like this forever, git gud” or “there’s an addon for that”. There’s no real place to share feedback, so this was my best guess. Guess I was wrong. A lot of players would give feedback if there was a proper section for it. Guess this aint it. Why do I even bother. Insanity. Madness.

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ye not the best spot for easily offended snowflakes.

why u even do such a long brabbel post if u just wanna complain about addons?

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Not directly complained about addons, if that’s what you got from it, you misunderstood. I dislike the basic toolkit of the game. Indirectly it can come across as “addon complaints” but that’s not the case. Addons are fine, I’m not against them. I just dislike how bad the game is baseline. And when they are doing changes to UI for example, these are valid points to speak up about.
I would do this in private to a dev team, but that aint an option apparently, so forum would be the second best. I’m not here to fight but holy s*#! the responses that are being given in this forum is just nerds malding.

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u just want to whine about things that are fixable but u dont want advice on how to fix it and then u whine about addons ruining ur game, ur free to complain just pointing out the obvious here

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Did you read the OP? Because I was giving feedback, and gave some personal examples that stood out to me. The response I got respond to an example I gave, which is completely besides the point. When I’m pointing out this and really hammer in that the point of this thread is feedback to the UI & how pvp play out these days. But sure, give me some more weeks with meeting demo locks and I’m sure I’ll come back here and blindly rage about how dumb that spec is designed. Tell me “git gud” then, ait? I’m sure those types of forum posts makes your day.

Get a new hobby.

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The reason they are not tweaking the default UI for PVP efficiency is that the game is an MMO and any UI by definition is diminishing immersion.

When we, as PVP players, install omnibar, omnicd, weak auras, big debuffs, sarena, etc… we commit to sacrificing said immersion by filling up our screens with useful buff/debuff info, as that’s what we care about.

But we can’t expect the default UI to offer that as a choice to us. Blizzard will always prioritize as little UI interference as possible, because that’s how you build an MMO that caters to a lot if people.

Playing a healer will be much more forgiving after the 22nd of March, Right now making 1 mistake literally costs you games. Not very welcoming for returning and new players, Especially playing anything besides a disc priest

Made a post about this https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/5-minute-read-to-improve-in-every-arena-bracket/435403

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