As Kreia said in KOTOR 2, “apathy is death”. Gamer apathy toward predatory monetization is the death of gaming as we know it.
Melodramatic I know, but I really dislike the path big budget games have taken.
@Razaoe: Yes, 3 games in one sub is a good deal (even though 2 of them are practically re-releases, they’re still re-releases I enjoy). Which is why I’m continuing to pay my sub. However, I refuse to pay Actiblizz any more than that. I will not buy the boost, I will not buy the deluxe edition, I will not buy a character clone.
I dont defend it sayed that i dont care about it. And what line in sand what was just recently crossed? If you mean char boosts well that came before wod. Gameshop been there way longer. Tbc classic not have tokens its all what If they add those what they won’t for sure cause they sell those in retail. Classic players just can buy gold from there then they trade it for classic gold that happening alltime. And yes i think its not bad deal and for me its just that whatever 70€ it is. What comes for take that take boost i know you want to. Well i take or not take and not care single bit what you or anyone thinks. But yep been waiting long time and its not big deal for me
In this case, you are right but also wrong. There were no scaling mounts back in TBC, but the TBCC server code is an adaptation of the Shadowlands server with include the code to have scaling mounts. It won’t be used by the original TBC mounts, but this new mount will use the scaling system.
And you had to buy the original vanilla wow as well and that was free in classic so what is your point? its old code that they have had to do some work with to get working on their modern systems its not as costly as makeing a new expansion.
Im guessing you are talking about the tiger. It didnt work like that back then you actually had to spend the gold to get it/them (the 60% and 100% versions) you dont have to do it any more in retail but as late as wrath atleast you still had to actually pay the gold you just unlocked the option to buy them with the code.
Nah I still pay a sub fee its not free and I have payed that sub fee since day 1 of classic and with the small amount of support staff the game have the sub fee clearly covers the price for them to get tbc working.
First they came for the mount collector (wrath) but I didnt say anything becouse I wasnt a mount collector.
Then they came for the leveler (mop) but I didnt say anything becouse I wasnt a leveler.
Then they came for the gold farmer (WoD) but I didnt say anything becouse I wasnt a gold farmer.
Then they came for me (someday in the future) and there was no one left to say anything.
Im actually not wrong at all as im just talking about how the mounts function in tbc not in retail. And while the the classic servers run on modified retail clients they are not actually running on the same code, same base code but not the same code set (all of wow have been running on the same engine with modifications added over time) its rather unlikley that they have injected the mount speed scaling in to the base code and more likley that they did add it on top of older code seeing as you cant actually learn one of the old epic mounts unless you have the proper training for it (atleast it was like that a while ago) so it still does a check for the mount skill at that point then when you mount it most likley dose another check to see what level your mount skill is and then puts the mount to the propper speed for your skill level. And with the introduction of every mount being account bound later on you dont need the proper skill to use a mount just to learn it on one char and then you can use it on all your chars.
@Cupid I insist, you are right about how the mounts work back in TBC and how every mount will work in TBCC with the sole exception of TBC Deluxe Edition Mount, and this topic is only about that mount in particular. That mount will use retail scaling system, we can speculate what they did in the code to implement it but it does not change the fact that they did it, it has been confirmed.
If you want my opinion of how they did the scalling system probably they did nothing and the retail server code that they use as base to create the server was already prepared to have both mounts that use scaling and mounts without scaling, probably that is just data in the item database. The same happens with mounts being account bound later in WOTLK, that is just data too, and it can be confirmed in retail because there are still some mounts in retail that do not account bound and even mounts that are not added to the collection tab like back in TBC, but in retail nowadays is only used for temporal mounts.
Death for whom? Just because the game is dead (or will be dead) to you doesn’t mean it will be dead to others. I wouldn’t consider TBC Classic or WotLK Classic dead because of a few mounts or pets on the cash shop. Heck, I played for years on pservers who had all sorts of actual gear and trade goods on their “donate shops” and, while certain servers definitely went too far with the concept, the poor scripting has always been a bigger problem for those.
Again, that’s on you. People aren’t apathetic because they don’t care about the game dying, but because they don’t think this will kill the game (except maybe in some sense that you endorse but they don’t).
If/once the game becomes bad enough, I’ll leave, simple as that. Unlike you, I do speak with my wallet. But if you expect me to cry foul because of some supposed “slippery slope”, you’re kidding yourself.
They never sold actual gear on the in-game shop, not even on retail - stop being a fearmongering idiot.
Of all the things Blizzard ever put on the in-game shop before, WoW token is the only one that would seriously worry me - depending on the impact it has on my server’s economy. But I doubt we’d ever see this before WotLK, and gold isn’t especially important in WotLK anyway (almost no BiS craftables to speak of, few consumables, etc)
It was actually just a question not a try to fearmonger. The poem I used earlier was boredering on fearmongering though but it was ment as a way to make people think more about the things they dont care about.
Well they have it ready to be rolled out when ever seeing as it is on the chinnese servers already.
The chinese servers are managed by NetEase, not Blizzard. There’s no reason to believe that what one does should necessarily impact the other - that’s like, I dunno, believing we’ll get censored undead just because NetEase does it.
It was a stupid way nonetheless. If you want to feel afraid then feel afraid, me and most others will be off enjoying the game.
And before you say anything along the lines of "Just wait until… ", that’s what fearmongers always say, whether or not their fears actually materialize somewhere before the end of time. Meanwhile, as I said, I’ll be off enjoying the game.
I wasn’t referring to WoW specifically, but the general state of AAA games. I am not a fan of the path they’ve gone down and I don’t like the industry’s practices. But that’s a whole other discussion!
Much like I don’t criticize aspects of WoW TBC (like dailies or flying) just because they suck in the current iteration of WoW retail, I won’t judge things like the TBC Deluxe edition based on what your typical freemium/gacha game is doing. I judge them on their own merits, and on how they actually impact the game.
This isn’t apathy on my part - if anything, it’s overreaction on yours.
You really think they wouldnt have sold you tittles,achivements,gear,max level,all quests done…all of it if they could?Only reason they dont do it is because game would die,instead you get mount after mount and some wings
You are right about it being managed by NetEase but the code is there ready to be used. And people said the same thing about the token when they first brought it out in China we had about half a year or so if memory servers me right from the time it was out in china untill it was out here. People and even blizzard said its china it wont come to the european or american servers take it easy.
Im not a afraid.
You are still pretending that im doing that and its so cute the closest was the poem and its just there to show what could happen if people decid that they dont care becouse it dosnt impact them personaly, its a rewrite of a poem that was writen by Martin Niemöller and its to a great extent about takeing resposibility for what could happen if you dont speak up agianst things that are wrong (in his case against the german goverment during the second great war and im not actually comparing this to those people at all darn censorship of words)
You missunderstand me with someone else, because I had never express any opinion regarding if the Deluxe Edition is p2w or is not. In fact, I do not have any such opinion because I do not give a damm about that.
Its not worth the risk yet to sell it but they probbably could get away with selling last tiers normal mode gear if they wanted to most people wouldnt care about that really. If the subs drop to much they most likley would do that actually
Always has been, as a certain meme goes - the Classic client was based on the Legion client, which already had WoW tokens. The fact they’ve been added to the Chinese client tells us nothing about the likelihood they will be added to the client managed by Blizzard itself.
I’m not the one concerned, here. I just mentioned WoW tokens because you asked me what the “red line” would be for me. I for one don’t think we’ll see WoW tokens in TBC Classic, and I consider even their introduction in a future WotLK Classic to still be a low chance scenario.
I do know what poem you were referring to - if anything, I find it pretty stupid that you would quote something like that, considering that there’s no unsubbing from life (unsubbing, unlike dying, presupposes you can do other things with your time, including subbing at a later time).
Lol no, they won’t and never would.
Anyway I’m done here - you’ve been given every possible reason for not being concerned about what you keep wanting to be concerned about. If this leads to you not enjoying the game or quitting, I couldn’t care less. If anything, Mirage Raceway could use a few less Ally players.