You’re probably right, it’s quite likely an overreaction on my part with regards to TBCC. Be that as it may, I am not really happy with Actiblizz adding all of this stuff which didn’t exist in original TBC and I am genuinely concerned how far they may take it.
Just to be clear, I wasn’t saying that you personally are apathetic Zalanji - you wouldn’t be actively discussing on the forums if you were. The apathetic players would most likely not bother.
Says the great prophet of Blizzard? They are a company and here to make money if the subs drop to much they will do as much as possible to keep the money flowing in, selling the normal mode raid gear from the last raid before the one that is current (in retail ofc) would not be a stupid thing for them seeing as some people want to change class so they boost up as far as they can and then they wouldnt want to have to farm gear at all so why not sell them some gear so they can cath up even faster? a lot of people wouldnt care about it some people would be happy about it and others would unsub but the proffits from the people who wouldnt would more than make up for it, the whales are even in wow and those would be the last to leave they wouldnt even leave if the current tiers heroic loot would be sold to them, take a look at archage or any other game like that and you will see that it could still generate enough money for blizzard to have it like that if the subs drops far enough (most likley by the time something like that would be able to happen wow would have been made free to play though)
How is it better if it just saves gold?
You still have to pay for your riding skill like everyone else. and this will be the main expense with TBC.
Any saved gold is saved time you will not have to pay out the extra gold with that mount even if its not the main part of the cost. If blizzard would sell you 105g for 3,75$ just outright what would you say about that? becouse thats what the value of the mount is if you take out the cost for the boost and the game time and then split the remaining money on all 4 items you get
Your the same guy who is against dual spec if 100g a week is nothing for pvpers it’s nothing for you to buy a mount and know what else you can get an epic mount absolutely free from PvP 0g spent you cannot vendor the mount for 100g so it actually has no value
If you get the mount from pvp you have put in effort towards it, and im not saying 100g is much to anyone really. For the pvp mount you have most likley put in way more time than it would take to earn 100g actually. Any mount that is not a pvp mount costs gold or is a rare drop you cant sell the rare drop mounts ether but they still have a value most people would actually value those higher than 100g. The reason im against dual spec and the reason why im against blizzard selling a mount a difrent reasons all together im against dual spec becouse it will not fix any problem (but will creat more problems in pve) and remove a gold sink (the only part that is over lapping). The reason why im against them selling a mount is becouse its p2w (even if some people dont acept the way me and a lot of people clearly use it) or pay for convience (if you are a tosser and use the bad terms people use to defend pay to win). Im even for some of the impementations people have put forwards here on the forums for dualspec for example the idea of people still having to pay the cost and have to do it at the trainer but they have a pre set spec they change to so it fixes their bars and such things.
At this point, I think owning the deluxe edition mount will go more against you than for you. I am not sure why people are actually defending it for. It’s a “cash-grab” added and included in a remaster of an old game – and personally I interpret it as an “undesirable”. From reading posts, owning it and riding around on it, will get all the haters hating on you, and attract attention to you.
I do know I bought the flying pig in retail, because I loved how it looked, but that was retail and I saw many flying around on it and thought it was cute. It was not ruining people’s immersion of an old game though. I think keep the cash shop for retail – where it belongs – and let old schoolers have their game – just as it was – without the cash shop or “cash-grab” additions.
I know some people have created addons to /spit on people using the mount. Also, I heard in retail, and I may be wrong - Asmongold, the streamer, directed those to /spit on people who own and ride on store mounts.
Reading these stories, I know it would deter me from actually purchasing and using the mount itself, even if I wanted it or could save money through buying it.
The cash-shop mount goes against the spirit of classic, and it’s existence isn’t a plus in classic. Owning it will not help you in WoW Classic and will most likely attract to you unwanted attention.
There is a certain mentality of people who play WoW Classic, and I think the mount just is targeted at the wrong audience.
Will anyone here who legitimately plays classic and has played vanilla actually purchase the deluxe edition and use the mount?
Your arguement is full of holes.
Lets go through it .
You say the mount is pay to win because it saves you 100g when there is already free alternatives but because that takes time it’s p2w so does earning the money to pay for the deluxe edition take time. You also say that other dropped mounts that drop have higher value than a paid mount so what’s the problem?
Your completely wrong that dual spec won’t fix a problem it will fix multiple problems like lack of healers and tanks pve and more participation on PvP and PvE activities.
Know what the best gold sink a complete fresh start so that there is no botted gold coming over from classic and people who paid membership in classic won’t have an advantage over new players in tbc which is p2w going with what you say about mount,boost and dual spec
Getting /spit emote from some random player well now thats some really scary stuff. Who cares about emotes too many going out there anyway. Most people just enjoy tbc there
You shouldn’t really bother. As the title says
The TBC Deluxe Edition Mount is P2W, you can’t tell me otherwise
I bolded the appropriate bit. Whatever we say they will still think the same thing.
This thread should end now with “We agree to disagree”
Lets go through your holes here seeing as you havent read all the things I have said.
I say the mount is pay to win not becouse it saves you 100g it would be pay to win even if it saved you as litle as 1g, 3,75$ will take you way less time to earn than 100g actually (thats the price the mount is when you take out the boost and the month game time and you split the remaining value between the 4 items). The droped mounts are rare thats why they have a value, the free alternatives are not a alternative for most people as you would need to invest a redicoulus amount of time into the pvp mounts and the drop once even more so unless you are super lucky.
You have not provided proof that it would put more tanks in to the pool of players seeing while I did provide proof it havent increased it in retail where everyone have acess to all their specs the lack of tanks is still there. The problem it would give birth to is exactly the probelm it intorduced in wrath people needing to respec for difrent encounters in raids for a litle extra dps (for example a aoe spec for a fight with a lot of adds and a singel target spec for fights without adds).
You got to be kidding me you are comparing people who have invested time into the game with people who just swipe their credit card to earn things? And it wouldnt be a gold sink it would be a reset 2 completly difrent things.
Yes, many people wanted Classic WoW to get as pristine as possible. I did too. But, this time it was players who interfered and used all knowledge from pservers to spoil Classic.
Whole servers diseased with world buff meta, mage exploiting pathing, mafias from devilsaur to payed no-gank protection, top guilds gold buying to brag about parses, FP camping, AQ gates faction collaboration with selling spots for mount, pvp ranking brackets and threats to people, mass reporting etc
This is what diminished Classic for me, ruined it a lot.
No small shop button, no mount, no boost can be even close to what part of playerbase did to Classic, including streamers and bis online guides.
Yeah, players are the scourge of this game, get rid of them! 
All excellent points Marquiza! I was personally not affected by this, partly because I don’t do end-game and partly because Hydrax as a server turned out to be less “try hard” and more like I remember from back then. However you are absolutely right about how Classic was “meta’d” to death by the majority of players. It is to be expected I guess of an old game.
Which is why I am happy with the proactive stance Blizz is taking with TBCC regarding tuning, difficulty and weird metas. Because such changes intend to preserve the spirit and the essence of the TBC experience rather than simply copy the data and wish for the best.
I’m just not thrilled about the already aforementioned additions that feel more like the stuff you see in a modern MMO. Not mentioning Retail because I haven’t touched it, but all these boosts etc do remind me of cash shop MMOs that I’ve tried.
You just contradicted yourself your saying it’s not pay to win because it saves you 100g but it would be pay to win if it saves you 1g? What is it both answers can’t be right??
Again your assuming the value of the mount based off boost that’s like buying collecters addition for any game and give a value of the free t-shirt who’s to say the boost wasn’t free. It’s not a ridiculous amount of time to farm PvP mounts you don’t even need to try.
You have no provided proof that it didn’t increase when implemented to retail in wrath where is this proof? I know alot of players for example PvP holy paladin who would go pve protection paladin if dual spec was implemented and I doubt this person is alone there is plenty examples even on these boards.
Time is relative your comparing a mount you can get with deluxe to a free obtainable mount and have the audacity to call it pay to win
how is it a contradiction pay to win is pay to win. Both are pay to win in difrent amounts.
Seeing as the only way to buy the mount is with the boost and we know the value that is on both the boost and for a month of game time its simple math at that point to find out what the value that blizzard have put on the mount is.
My proof was like I said from retail aka curent day wow you are now just dodgeing the question. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence though.
You are the one who brought up the “free” mounts. The pvp mounts are not free you have to use 30 of each mark on them in tbc wont be less than half a hour of work on UK minimum wage (using that as an example here) the death charger that drops of rivendare is such a rare drop that its not even funny the once from ZG are less rare but there wont be many people running ZG once tbc comes out.
Tryed but couldnt help it, that spit emote was just too funny. Kinda playing game and suddenly from nowhere there comes spit emote and If i dont quick dismount what they do? Give anothet spit emote or maybe Juice things little and add rude gesture perhaps to get their message done. Well its good to have something to do in game. If that really comes from adults well i couldnt care less about them or their emotes. Its good to have something to do in game
Can’t you turn off emotes in chat? I thought you could but I could be wrong.
So that would mean you don’t even see their attempt at trolling you.
Yes, I regret now not going to some low pop server like Hydrax, but at launch all were full/high, so who would of known this scenario.
Maybe I was naive, but I never ever thought this old and simple game attracted so many hardcore players.
I always thought those guys are mostly playing retail and its mythic raids where minmaxing and hardcore style is truly needed to even beat the raid.
But this time, to my surprise, they took a simple and easy game to minmax and speedrunning is born. This is actually loot-collecting, not raiding.
For the record, I dont have anything against hardcore players and minmaxing, I just didnt expect such large chunk of playerbase with embrace that playstyle, feels to me like 80% of server is hardcore players and guilds. It is other way around in retail.
You said 100g was not pay to win you keep changing your story.
You can’t work something out of a package deal as you don’t know what they have given for free look at any mount that blizzard sells and tell me what you can buy for $3. I’m sorry the minimum wage is not $140 an hour redo your maths.
yes they are rare dropped that’s why nobody is gonna care seeing people on deluxe mount and know the difference.
PvP mounts are free they don’t cost gold only time like everything else so your 100g pay to win arguement is nothing because PvP mount is a free alternative.