The upcoming changes of talents for hunter (class/mms)

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Blizz, please why are you so scared of people having more offensive skills on action bars. The new talent system should us allow to do builds we couldn’t do before, It was so fun that hunters had option to have multiple active dps button to press, ofc you decided to change it in next build to redo it to something that we have now (barrage or explosive). It was fun possibility to finally have option of multiple new dps abilities, you force tar trap and misidrection, which most of casuals won’t use anyway as talent points instead of baseline, and now you keep pruning possibilities to have better rotation

People- anyway as mms had long enough rapid fire steady shot and aimed shot in st rotation to be able to learn how to use additional skills smh.
as it’s currently for hunter class/mms seems so much better and interesting.

in new build you even force to spend 2 talent points on having serpent shot fired instantly with aimed shot ( less buttons to press, yay :confused: )

I just don’t get why blizzard stuck around idea of spamming 3 skills for some specializations ?

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Isnt most specs like 3-5 spells anyway?

The normal rotation i mean, not talking about Cds buff CCs utility or whatever …

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Yeah and when blizzard finally showed us light in the tunnel, they had to **** fun up and they are fixing it in another build
and people that are ok with 3 skills in rotation are people that won’t spend more than hour a day on this game and for sure won’t use utility skills etc on fights anyway.

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Idk how having more spells in rotation helps you tho?

With like 7-8 spells u wont use some and it will be back into ~5 spells rotation .

Also, blizz most likely nerfed it, or changed, because they realized hunter will have X spells in rotation while rest has Y and thats kinda their way to balance it.

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no, you’d have more options or just use different skills for another mob packs, remember that we have cds, and still 5 skills in rotation is still better than 3. Same they could change serpentstalker’s trickery to remove focus cost and gcd on serpent string instead of making it boring passive but why would they… People playing class with the same 3 skills to spam for few years for sure won’t get bored, especially when they play this game *sigh

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But how is that any different ??

U have set rotation for single and set rotation for aoe depending on target count.

Why bring CDs into that ? Did they change anything about Cd or about basic rotation?

Also i already said most specs uses 3-5 , if u are in that range u are still fine … how many butons will u have with new build ?

3 spells are rotation, once u do content higher enough u dont pay attention to rotation , its muscle memory and u focus on other things .
Imho for most people rotation doesnt matter, its overal gameplay feeling u have .

And like i said, having 8-10 spells instead of 5 wont fix anything u will just not use half of them in curent gamestyle .

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Why are you even trying to argue with me ? You want to prove that people who want more skills shouldn’t have options to do so ?

You would have to use another skills and fight wouldn’t be so boring and oversimpled ?Why do you think people miss times from mop or cata when classes were more complex??

no not really, what makes game fun are ways that force you to FOCUS, currently everyone say wow feels like a chore and one of answers to that is fact how dull combat is.
and no having 8 skills wouldn’t make you not use half of them, I see a lot of situations where you could use stampede, barrage, explosive shot and trick shots basics on ONE pack and it would be so much better

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Im not arguing im just tryint to explain to you that more spells wont help you because u wont use them all , whats point of having 10 spells if your rotation will consist of 5?

Idk what kind of content you do but i dont think there is too many “oversimpled” fights .

Also , like i said for gazilion times more spells=/= more fun .

Yes , having spell for XY ocassion is nice, but having 10 spells in basic rotation is stupid and u wont use them .

Well then tell everyone to quit if they arent happy with game ?

Yea , i rather use my focus on stuff that matters rather than rotation which i have memorised .

Yes and it would also be broken .
Also, barage has 20 sec CD
Stampede has like what? 2 min CD??
Those are definitely not a basic rotation spells.

Also i dont play hunter nor i ever had so i dont k ow everything about their spells.

But again, 2min Cd isnt your rotation…

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Well your pov kinda makes no sense, we had many situations where we had cool talents that were easily backed in our rotation but passive skills just were much more benefiting and we ended up never using these active skills.
I think blizzard should keep as many options as possible for players to decide if they want more skills or not in their rotation. For sure it should be a bit more benefiting in dps but these people who can’t afford pressing more than 3 buttons, after playing like week everyone can master current rotations and would want to expand it somehow, if not they can stick to simple passives.

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None of spells that are now possibility and will be removed in next build would cause rotation to not being fully usable. Explosive shot has cd, barrage has cd, stampede also has cd long enough to still put basic multi shot+ rapid fire/aimed shot on multi targets

rotation itself is oversimpled and its whole prismat of combat

people do quit and I care enough about this game to at least try to stop it ? for me personally- oversimpled rotations are huge bullet in knee and I know it is for many people as well, to the point beginners sometimes whine that rotations are shallow.

fact but its always cool to have dps button to manage

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Tell me how it makes no sense and how u would u use 8-10 spells in your basic rotation.

Also back in the day u maybe had more spells and more “choices” but your whole job was stand here dodge this and time to time kick that . Thus changed a lot in past years .

Its not about not being able to learn more , or not paying attention or whatever .

Its about basic math .

Rn , u have like 2 main spells and then like 1-2 fillers , time to time a proc and thats your rotation for most classes .

Your global cd is 1 sec
Your main spell has 5 sec cd
Your other main spell has 6 sec cd
Your filler one has no cd but does low dmg
Your other filler has no cd , does even less dmg aply a dot and this dot has chance to reset your main spell cd.

U use your main spell , you use your other main spell, u press your dot filler, you press your other filler, u are back to main spell, to other main spell into filler …and press main spell on cd reset .

See , now imagine there is 8 spells instead of 4 , u will just press 4 that will deal most dmg because thats how it works .

And thats the issue about balancing cant you see it ?

Those are not basic rotation spells those are your CDs.

Its like saying its unfair my paladin cant have divine toll and ashen hollow at same time because it would kinda make it better…

Yes but it will be broken cant you see that ?

Look a bit up in this reply why 8 spells in basic rotation wont work with curent game .

And please stop confusing basic spells with Cds

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I was talking about talents from current expansions, and now you are told by system that you have to move etc, if you stay in things whole screen is just flashed now so IDK what are you even talking about

and how having additional, slightly stronger abilities with 30sec cd+ will exclude another skills from rotation?? The post he made is about abilities from hunter and as I see having these wouldn’t make another skills obsolete, just less spammed

rather like consecrations was made split with divine toll but yeah, its totally not the same , and if ashen hollow was nerfed enough, then why not ?

some classes had 8 skills in rotation and really felt good to play ? idk what are you talking about

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First u start with talents while we talk about rotation and then u bring in how game tell you what to do ?

Also, if u do content high enough like i already said , there wont be any flashing screen, u are just dead .

Also, why do you think those active spells were not chosen over passive ones ? Because they provided more dmg and it was not worth to press this active talent .
Same thing will happen with 8 spells in your rotation some wont be worth to press and thus useles .

Can we stop confusing Cds with basic rotation for a while??

Name one class or spec that uses 30 sec or more Cd in their base rotation …

Did op in his hunter rant mentioned that having barage and stampede is fine while being nerfed ?? No he wanted them both because its fun …

Thats the important part, we arent living in past …
Also, example of those specs and their " rotations" ? And patch

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You started to forcing mechanics in this argument? So I kept following it? do you even know what you write ?
Here’s short reminder which is also invalid like your whole argumentation
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It’s also totally invalid as there were many scenarios in history of this game where class had 8+ skills in rotation and it was totally worth pressing.

Whole thread was about hunter being unhappy with removal of choices of talents for SKILLS WITH 30+ SEC CD
If you did research a bit then you would know.
To me rotation is regular using of skills in cycle of fight. So ok let’s say it’s ok to keep 3-5 skills in rotation but there should be a lot more 45> secs cd buttons to press to make combat more entertaining ?

And that’s why wow was a lot more popular in past

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Once again, what class and what patch

Yes, why not , but not for hunter only .

Op was sad they made thins talent change where he could have 3+ “big cds” while other classes cant. Then he started with confusion about rotation .

If all classes get to takelnt into all their Cds be it , but if only one can do it then nerfing it is sure right call .

Yea cuz rotation was what kept people playing , not gazilion of other issues

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in mop almost every class, If not all, later it was homogenized ( and everyone hated it, multiple cry posts to bring back mop design etc) for now you play paladin and it shows you didn’t even check tank or healer spec >_> for tank it uses 7 skills in ROTATION ( consecration, word of glory, hammer of wrath( yeah prot can use it a lot more than ret in case you didnt know), judgment, shield of righteous, shield of avenger, hammer of righteous ) AND PEOPLE LOVE TO PLAY PROT PALADN.

All healer specs in general have lots of buttons to press and it feels amazing
And before you open another post where you just prove you haven’t ANY IDEA and you are just here to argue without ANY knowledge, do some research at least because you are annoying at this point

Yeah blizzard tries to fix them with every patch and it turns out to not be reason, maybe because they forgot that people like to focus on what they press, not sleeping on keyboard with pressing 123 and looking at flushing screen because they stay in sh*t. FFIXV has tons more buttons to press and magically people love class design.

EXACTLY , it should be done FOR ALL CLASSES, LONG AGO
And idk if you’ve seen but I think the original post is about it that’s why im here as WARRIOR and trying to defend his idea, because APPEARENTLY you just took it from selfish perspective

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Please tell me u are kiding xd

Next thing u come here and tell me frenzdied regeneration is part of druids rotation .

Yea i totaly wish people couldt understand thst a lot of things to press =/= complex rotation. Just because u can press XY spells doesnt mean YOUR BASIC ROTATION are those spells .

Where exactly did OP mentioned anything apart from hunter only ?

I see hunter only , thats kinda “selfish” isnt it ? He doesnt mentioned any other class in all his posts .

Also there stars whole convo with OP that confused rotation with active CDs so dont tell me how im selfish and what not .

I just tried to explain to him that CDs are not rotation and then u jumped in with your world glory xd

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Less skills > more skills.

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no, if these 5 abilities just do damage without any deeper gameplay it can be worse than 3 abilities which interact with each other

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you use it at least 2 times each 15 seconds, TELL ME YOU ARE KIDDING, you have ZERO idea what you are talking about once again, you just keep proving it

IT could just go for all classes as well, its not like blizzard focus only on hunters

yes, for noobs, thats why we have talents and we should have active talents for these who are capable of learning and these who have less IQ would stick to passives
also by looking at popularity of mmorpgs now, people seem to enjoy games with more complex and intelligent class design

Why, it would make the fight very much less repetitive