The void-elves Moral compass

[Moridunum-argent-dawn (Moridunum)]

Brigante, are you okay or did their whispers get into your head to? You’re rambling nonsense like some Void Elf now to! D:

[Jito-turalyon (Jito)]

We can use Void! Yeah, that’s not nukes, that’s like low level chemical warfare.

I used the comparison as an example of a source of power that has both positive and negative usages, but which is regarded by many as entirely negative.

In WoW most sources of power and magic have a duality to their nature. The Light can be used both to heal your allies, but also to smite your enemies.

That is -literally- worse than the chap with the funny moustache in the 1940’s and you’re Alliance, right? The ‘Good Guys’? Wow…that’s…yeah, that’s next level…
“We’re good guys!”
“No, you…you really are not good guys…it would be hard to get less like good guys, without changing your name by deed poll to Sargeras….”

First of all, I don’t appreciate you drawing such a comparison to me in any manner. Please don’t do that in the future.

Secondly, why on earth are you drawing me into this personally? I have simply responded to the question posed by the OP as I view and interpret the story in WoW. I have no personal motivations and I’m certainly not trying to portray an image of the Void Elves or The Alliance as being “the good guys”. I’m not sure why you feel the need to bring that up at all.

The Alliance has a long history of killing people with that mentality, when did that suddenly change?

I don’t think The Alliance as a whole operates under a mentality of the means justifying the ends. I would say they’re more driven by moral ideals of justice, faith, peace, hope, and so on. Very standard fantasy-knighthood values in many ways.

For real? THey sure don’t seem Humble. We can make Shadow Dinosaurs! “Umm, is that a good thing to do?” “WHo cares! It will really annoy the Zandalari!” “Yeah, but is that a good thing to do? We’re the Alliance…” “Who Cares?” “Yeah, fair, we’re already using Undead, our High King uses Shadow Mind Magic, what the heck, lets just go all out”

Umbric and the Void Elves always seem to be very eager to prove their worth to The Alliance. They are grateful for Alleria’s teachings and their acceptance within The Alliance. This seems reflected – to me – in the ways they accept tasks. In the War Campaign it tends to come across that Umbric as very humble about his deeds, despite the fact that he and the Void Elves wield tremendous power. He seems mainly concerned with whether his Alliance peers approve of the Void Elves and their contribution to The Alliance. I.e. he doesn’t brag or show off (despite arguably having grounds for doing so).

[Frozengrip-silvermoon (Frozengrip)]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa, I see no such issue with the Void Elves. They are the only people who care about the people of this world.

We need a Void Elf version of Vary’s, while Comrade Umbric is great we need more.

[Araphant-defias-brotherhood (Araphant)]

Comrade Umbric

United forever in voidship and labour,
Our mighty kingdoms will ever endure.
The Great Void Union will live through the ages.
The dream of a people their fortress secure.

Long live our Telogrusian motherland,
Built by the people’s mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our voidship tried by fire.
Long may our purple flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all elves to see.

Through days dark and stormy where Great Umbric lead us
Our eyes saw the purple rays of void above
And Alleria our leader with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up the Void that we love.

[Janzì-argent-dawn]

They are the only people who care about the people of this world.

i expect to see charity initiatives that prove this claim.

and no, throwing the unwanted into void portals does not count.

[Khangy-zuljin]

The void elves are like children playing with toys that they do not understand. After all, they are the result of an accident. Only with the guidance of the true Master of the Whispers can you find the rightful place and, only then, will they be able to develop their full potential. The moral codes imposed by ancient cultures impede progress towards the Eternal Peace of N’zoth. Accept the gift of the Lord of the Deep, bring His Gifts with pride on your forehead and He will bless you with the Absolute Truth. N’zoth is the Way

[Shammysparks-argent-dawn]

The void elves are like children playing with toys that they do not understand. After all, they are the result of an accident.

Correct me, if I am wrong, but I have taken the Void Elves to be “former” Magisters of the Arcane, i.e. learned folk.

Mages have to study long and hard to be called Magister and thus, I would not say that “they do not understand”

[Khangy-zuljin]

Arcane magic has nothing to do with the gifts that N’zoth bestows. There is no connection between those two schools. A warrior can be very powerful with an ax but he has no knowledge about poisons. N’zoth is the way, do not listen to the charlatans who think they are above the Master of the Depths

[Frozengrip-silvermoon (Frozengrip)]

i expect to see charity initiatives that prove this claim.

and no, throwing the unwanted into void portals does not count.

Being in the presence of us glorious Void Elves is proof enough, no?

[Janzì-argent-dawn]

snffs

i guess. glory to the… void???

[Anthropea-turalyon (Anthropea)]

Wait, so let me get this straight:

The Horde can use the Blight - a chemical WMD, freely without any consideration for collateral damage, they can murder indiscriminately (women and children too) and desecrate the remains of the fallen, they can blatantly disregard peace treaty and assault the Alliance just because they suspect the Alliance might do the same, they destroy the environment, cut down trees and overall be a complete slimy, disgusting parasite to Azeroth, they can lie, cheat, steal and conspire with criminals, etc. (the list goes on and on and on…)

But if the Alliance tries to actually fight back with coutnermeasures, like using Void Elves and their power, suddenly it’s A TRAVESTY! OH THE INHUMANITY! UNACCEPTIBLE!!

All’s fair in love and war. You guys are ok with using underhanded methods because you are a bunch of honorless cheating cowards. But if the Alliance tries to do the same, suddenly they’re not allowed? Double Standards at it’s fines.

I think we went easy on the goblins, we should have tortured them first before sending them to the Void. Hell, Alleria should use all the Void Elves to open a rift to the void smack-dab in the middle of Orgrimmar and let all the civilians get sucked in. That’d be a nice payback for the thousands of innocents burned to death at Teldrassil.

[Dainara-draenor]

On a scale of 0-10 how much does it hurt you knowing that by the time this expansion ends we’ll all be sitting around one of the bonfires in Orgrimmar, hand in hand and singing Kumbaya?

I’m thinkin’ a solid 9.

[Anthropea-turalyon (Anthropea)]

Depends - is the rest of Orgrimmar on fire? If so, I’d say about 4/10.

[Aerilen-argent-dawn (Aerilen)]

I’ll take whataboutism for 1000 chief

[Blunderhoof-nordrassil (Blunderhoof)]

I thought it was Roleplay.

[Janzì-argent-dawn]

You guys are ok with using underhanded methods because you are a bunch of honorless cheating cowards. But if the Alliance tries to do the same, suddenly they’re not allowed? Double Standards at it’s fines.

yeah sorry, i didn’t know i was the one writing this story. my cowardice - the horde players in general - knows no bounds that we dont even know nor have the power to control it.

it’s that cowardly.

to note: if the alliance wants to do the grown up thing and actually use void elves as a form of questionable practice in their military, then fine, do it. not saying i disagree, but im sure despite this, pardon me if im feeling skeptical of the post being taken the wrong way.

[Haiete-argent-dawn]

Hm, guess you were right after all.

@Janzì-argent-dawn

sometimes i think some of the posters here just want to constantly hear the words…

horde sucks and its playerbase does too.

come on, lets not hide it now.

[Janzì-argent-dawn]

and we know how that claim went…

[Aerilen-argent-dawn (Aerilen)]

Honestly the void elves aren’t all that sympathetic. They should have come from the Silver Covenant rather than the Blood Elves, the narrative would have been less jarring and less of a total 180 from TBC story-telling.

to note: if the alliance wants to do the grown up thing and actually use void elves as a form of questionable practice in their military, then fine, do it. not saying i disagree, but im sure despite this, pardon me if im feeling skeptical of the post being taken the wrong way.

As we saw with the “purge squads” in Uldum, the more vocal supporters of a “morally dubious” Alliance simply want to have their cake and eat it; e.g genocide without the backlash the Horde receive for it.