You can disagree all you want, as ppl like to do on this forum. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re completely and utterly wrong.
It does more harm than good. I’ve been around long enough to have seen both sides in effect.
Yeah, sure… I’m sure trolls would love it not seeing any repercussions from getting kicked for good reason to immediately apply for the next group to troll.
You act like you get kicked frequently, maybe the issue is you. 
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That is a gross exaggeration of a situation that almost never happens. In all my years of playing, I’ve seen not a single ‘troll’ doing what you’re describing. As my friends haven’t either.
What? I guess we found the ‘troll’ that you were mentioning. What a plottwist, it was you all along! 
Maybe because the debuff exists now from being kicked for quite awhile…?
It’s pretty evident you weren’t around before when being kicked didn’t apply the deserter debuff… such trolls were pretty damn common, like I mentioned, trying to initiate a kick on them to avoid the debuff…
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No, I was very much around. You’re just making baseless assumptions. I guess this argument is over seeing it’s devolving into some kind of ‘make things up and blame the other person since I’ve nothing of value to say’.
Uh huh, sure.
Anyways, I prefer the system now compared to back then. Ain’t perfect but better than what it was.
I’ve only been vote kicked once this year, and that’s due to me being afk for a minute at the entrance, you’d have others believe you get kicked every other run FOR NO REASON… 
And I’m of the mindset to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it…
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I was there before and after they added the kick deserter.
Before that, each time we would get Occulus, some brat would hold the group hostage demanding to be kicked so that they can queue again for a shorter dungeon like Nerub
Realistically it is almost impossible for anyone to get end up getting kicked while they have been at least mediocre at their role and are not picking fights or afking.
I could count the times I got kicked from a group between Wrath and now from a dungeon, with my fingers.
Idk, I don’t have this issue of being kicked. I guess I just do my job well.
So what? Then you kick them and find a new tank/healer what have you. It sure takes less time finding a new person then having 30 pen on you.
Or they could add so only tank/healers can get one but not dps if kicked. Since it seems tank/healers abused the system.
Also might be different today than the past since m+ you dont really kick ppl.
There’s a really simple solution to this, show the reason for the kick to the person kicked, with a button to report the kick if the reason is unfair.
Well good for you?
You asked why you “didn’t understand” the need for a deserter debuff after getting kicked… I and many others gave the answer.
The system exists for a reason, and I’d think Blizz have the analysis on the situation to warrant it when it was introduced all those years ago to apply it when kicked.
I’ll give an amicable solution;
Since I honestly find it rare to get kicked, the first kick on you doesn’t apply the deserter debuff, to stop that rare annoyance of waiting out 30 minutes… but it’ll apply a soft debuff of it that lasts 30 minutes that does nothing, like a warning. If you get kicked again within those 30 minutes you’ll get the actual debuff.
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There is no such thing as “abusing vote to kick” in my book. During my 17 years of playing WoW I have learned quite a few things, one of them is that there is always a reason as to why someone gets kicked, and it’s almost always due to these four reasons:
- They do not behave- socially and/or with their playstyle.
- They to not perform very well when it comes to numbers- either with the DPS, healing or tanking.
- They disregard the tactics, often making the group or raid wipe.
- They afk or disconnect.
If you behave socially in dungeons and LFR you will probably never get kicked, assuming that your performance is up to par. If you are new, explain that to your group or raid and they will most likely understand and keep you in the group or raid, and many people will help you with tips and tricks to become more experienced.
99% of those kicked would always select that it was unfair regardless of reason.
I can’t think of a proper solution to suggest. The best I can come up with is to design the system such that a person who no longer wants to be in a group would prefer to leave themselves in 100% of cases than try to game the system and bait for a kick. And the only way I can think of this happening is to ensure that when a kick is performed, both the person kicked and those who agree to the kick have to “pay” something.
But then the system needs to compensate for the people who have been left behind.
What does that mean tho? Are you being a good slave? Because the only time I can think of when I was kicked, was in leveling dungeons and a pre made group was pulling left and right… basically made the run much slower. At some point I decided to leave them with their pull (like 3 mobs) and kept going the way it is supposed to go. They then kicked me without a word.
Technically you simply can’t do your “job” well. If you have a brainded semi pre made and they decide you are doing something wrong, you are gone. It’s that easy. Or you start licking their hairy holes and being their slave doing all they want you to do. But even then they can kick you because they feel like it.
This is assuming you are playing with somewhat decent people. At this point you could say “remove the kick function because we are playing with somewhat decent people, they will never do something wrong”.
The idiots who kick you, don’t care about what’s going on. They can simply do it because they feel like it and there is literally nothing you can do about it.
(I mean, there are some people who think you are doing something wrong and kick you, even tho they are being wrong… but those are super rare… you rather kicked for using the wrong pronouns before this happens)
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One of most troll tools ever.
Imagine for a sec you are spanish like me.
YOU CANT imagine how many times they troll by kicking their own people.
You only need one thing to be kicked, being from a spanish realm.
They just kick people wherever. I even got kicked last week in last boss of Ara Kara with the most hilarious reason ever. I didnt CR the mage (leader) when he died in the FIRST pull when it was ALMOST DONE.
Obviously I would not WASTE a CR when the pull was ALMOST DONE.
CR CR CR CR OMG CR WTF CR
Thats what he was spamming and, at last boss he told me:
"so, If I die here, will you cr me? or you want be kicked?
-Kick me. I said.
I got kicked.
Obviously his friend wont stay quiet so he started to whisp me “you are garbage and you dont deserve play mythic”
Remember, this all happened because I didnt CR the leader in the FIRST PULL when it was ALMOST DONE.
This being said.
THIS is real, and people from my country will say im liying, exagerating, trolling etc…
I bet you this.
Make a char on a spanish realm, and try to level a char to 80. You will be suprised HOW many times youll be kicked for no reason running a dungeon.
I leveled a lot of chars with a friend. This situation is extremely disturbing for years, but still, after years and years, still happening. Why? Because no company in this world of videogames cares about toxic behavior but money.
They just protect themselves against laws not against the toxicity
Im going end up betting this:
You can join in m+ groups. Letting the leader start, and after some seconds, just leave the group to deplete the key, and nobody will punish you, because there is NO punishment for this. Its a group, and as you freely decided to join you are freely to leave.
Bets?
nope, just nope, did you read what i wrote up there? literaly with no reason, people just want to punish others for their own mistakes or stupidities and they do it by insulting and thinking they’ve accomplished something, and there are so many people inclined to go along with it. and even sometimes people who kick me whisper me after and says about weird and irrelevant stuff about my server or country. i dont need to prove how smooth i play, even if you are a new and novice player, is it right to get kicked within a few minutes and wait for 30 minutes, is it good for you? I’ve been playing since 2005 and this problem has gotten worse in the last 2 years.
And it’s not just about me, kick this, kick that, who knows how many times a day I decline/refuse to vote, should we kick everyone? From their items and moves it is obvious that they are new players or underage, yes to kick “for lols” just because they have low dps or they went the wrong way… sorry but bs.
encourage it even.
The vote kick should have a drop down list of reason to choose from. The Accept Button should have a 30 second greyed out timer before it can be clicked (the decline button should be available start away).
Players who kick (or accept a kick) should get grouped with other similar players by the match making system. Stats on this should be available to everyone so you can see if someone has kicked 100 players in the last month you know to avoid them if possible.
Just making the Kick slightly harder (not much harder) will nudge players towards less toxic behaviour.
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It seems like you haven’t learned much in 17 years because “there’s always a reason” is so wrong, people tend to blame and punish others for their own arrogance. did u read how i got kicked? I’ve been playing since 2005… i clear dungeon in few mins and not using chat just hi gl and ty. or when someone need helps. but there is always someone does his own and dies, and flaming starts. and actualy there are much more ways to get kicked than your 4 ways and none of them are fair. simple.
and btw with your 4 reason, you have to kick most of the people, and it’s still not fair. i think there should be a match making pool for people like you. i mean propool or something 
This is a reasonable kick. should be rare though.
Outside of RWF or M+ keys this is not a good reason.
If they’re performing so badly that the group is wiping a lot (not twice but 4+) then it’s reasonable.
Especially in learning / leveling dungeons.
Again in Learning / Leveling dungeons the leeway should be higher but even in max level / Timewalking dungeons there is scope for someone to make a few mistakes and learn.
But if the group can’t progress due to this then ok.
A single d/c should be acceptable. Multiple should not.
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yesss, i like the way you thinking. specialy, pooling them somehow and mark them is good idea. And maybe use the 30mins stuff on them only. but the cooldown thingy wouldnt work. Hey Blizzard look over hereee ! 