There is no difference between 1600 and 2000 rating anymore. From 1600, in almost all matches I can see atleast 1 last season gladiator.
I am not sure if this is caused by the boosters or just simply too many gladiators are playing on low rating now.
I feel like this is not fun if I have to play against people who are real pros with their characters and I am obviously not if I play on 1600. There is no learning curve anymore. Dmg is insanely high anyway but playing against people who are just much better than you is not fun.
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There are close to 0 new players in arena.
There are only experienced players rerolling for fun/elite sets/because they get stuck.
SL has been bleeding players as a whole.
The few new players that try arena get oneshot for a few games in a row and then just quit arena.
New players first try 2s and 2s have had horrible balance and unfun tuning the whole xpac.
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Yes its not fun this Season. I cant reach 1800 for the Set (which i did many times before). Boosting in /2 is almost dead but you can easily find their discords. So many Gladiators at low ratings…
But i heard there is a new rule. You are not allowed to drop your rating on purpose. maybe that helps a bit.
Quite a good point. Blizzard should really put into a consideration that most new players try and start for a first time in 2s and also im prety sure majority of players play mostly 2s, and maybe they should start actually balancing the game slightly around 2s as well.
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Doesn’t matter much. This game is so far gone that actual new players will have zero chances to climb above something that would require more than randomly mashing buttons and doing pve rotation.
Learning various core class abilities and mechanics is a feat on it’s own, but in shadowlands you also need to know all the interactions between conduits and passives and legendaries too.
I saw people wearing full conquest pvp set gear and having many hundreds if not thousands games played… and they had neither tier set not a single legendary. Just full gladiators set.
And there is no way to learn all of this on your own in short time. There is no tutorial, no nothing. You get in arena match, get clapped and learn nothing too.
If blizzard truly wants new players, as truly NEW players, they need to completely change their mindset regarding pvp as a whole.
Remove billions of interactions, simplify the game, add various tutorials and so on. Something they will definitly not do.
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What? Where did you hear that? lol
Kinda was done already. Shadowlands is actually simple. Dragonflight will be more complex tho.
You can’t force a new player to learn. People who choose to PvP in a MMORPG, should understand what they are getting into.
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I’ve mentioned it before, but both PvP endgame and PvE endgame needs a mentorship program. As in, people get rewarded for tutoring someone for a set period of time, not just one session since not much can be taught like that. Together with criterias so not anybody can become a mentor, and good enough rewards that appeals to such players, and then you’d see a huge climate change in rated PvP as a whole.
3rd June: 13489 games played in 3x3 . It means 13489 x 6 = 80934 characters participated in arena.
So, let say a player played at least 10 arenas, that means 80394/10 = about 8040 players at most played 3rd june arena. And this number is smaller.
A player could have played more characters. Let say at least 2. Then about 4000 players played arena 3x3 in europe and america in 3rd June. This is pathetic.
They should have implemented next expansion’s changes on gearing right now. One set honor one set conq.
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Well, WoW as a whole lost a huge chunk of players in 2021, due to scandals and unappealing design decisions in Shadowlands in general.
Together with overly convoluted systems a beginner would need to learn before even being able to win in rated PvP, it just means fresh players won’t set foot in rated PvP.
On top of that, moods can grow weary between people if they can’t achieve their goals, thus pushing them back into the group finder, which after years of it having been a thing, many people can feel deep aversion against it.
So on and so forth. Simply put, rated PvP is slowly dying, and without heavy actions taken like for example mentorship programs for rated and mythic, then the game itself will continue on a downward trajectory.
Only reason the loss of players over the years hasn’t impacted revenue as much as it should have, is because microtransactions are funding a huge part of the company right now.
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In case you didn’t know, xunamate tracks only ~top 5000 players of ladder, which is true for arenamate and other services which use blizzard API. And top 5000 is > 2k cr currently, which is a lot less than 10% of the ladder atm
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Actually I am surprised so many games are still played. I never play 3s unless I need to cap conquest and I am sure not the only player who does that. It has nothing to do with balance or gearing system tho. I simply don’t like 3s but on top of that it’s even harder to find mates than for 2s. I’d even go further and claim the LFG is the biggest issue.
Nonetheless, the queue pops pretty much instant up to 2,1k cr.
Makes sense why “low” rating queue always pops instant. Would have been very surprising with perma insta queue at <10k games. So obviously the game is far from dead (<2,1k), which is why it never felt dead in the first place.
wow has such a bad PR nowadays (retail) that theres rarely new players, like totally new ones that just wanna try it out of nowhere, most of the new players are coming bcz a friend who plays ask them, and even in this rare case they will play pve, why would they play pvp? pvp in wow is like surf servers in csgo its there, and its good for a short period of time but… the main thing is not that sadly.
its just a weird cycle with blizzard
not enough player play pvp----->dont worth their attention---->rare or no fixes---->players stop playing pvp bcz of it—>not enough player play pvp—>dont worth their attention
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Most funny is that the max conduits on this season for pvp lie on 2400 rating 
Reaching 1800 might aswel be same as reaching 2400 as you already had to play your way from 1600 trough 2.7-3k exp people trough various seasons and expansions so you effectively ARE playing on +2400 even if your rating/mmr would be 1800 or lower
For me this was about 90% of matches I had to go trough this season and it still is the same no change on low rating since release of s3
Anyone truely new to the game will immediately be put off to continue the game as they need quite many addons and weakauras to track procs and conditions for this season and even with the added awareness they are going to get farmed by people playing with their friends and having 20x higher exp than them from the starting ratings onwards as people are rerolling alts and so on or just choosing to play low instead their real potentials if their true ratings are stale
With this continueing and all other idiotic things considered for this season its safe to say we can suspect even more empty ladders onwards and “dead game” till release of next expansion and blame is entirely on blizzard
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trust me people at 1600 play way worse than at 2200 this season
nah they have a better solution which is rated soloq which will come in 10.0
please no, if i want to press 5 different buttons i can play league of legends. The complexity is what WoW PvP makes so much fun. It will always be a niche pvp game and thats fine.
They can do more stuff though like more objective based pvp modes, soloq, tutorials and stuff but they should never make the game more simple just to attract more players. (which wont even work in my opinion)
people claim that the game is dead literally(!) every season for 15 years now. Game is and wont be dead this time. All people are coming back for dragonflights for atleast a few months. Most people play the game like this nowdays. They dont play for years only when something new gets added.
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Lol no. Reaching 1800 is the same as reaching 1800 end of story
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Some people need the ego boost !
Funnily enough recently on an alt at 1k8 in 3v3 I got the chance to play against someone sometimes appearing in these forums playing with Revo and Sfurio while having a pvp history full of competitor/rival with a sudden glad last season (the season with the most boosts).
Some people really crave the rating !
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Spektral speaks the truth. I got 1800 rating on my chars, 'cause I want to grab that sweet transmog and it wasn’t that hard. People thinks it’s hard, because the scale of incoming damage, before these seasons high damage and oppressive gameplay was synonymous with someone being good. If you felt like you couldn’t do nothing usually the reason was that the other was simply better.
I don’t think this is the case anymore, cause I have managed to die to 1500 rating player. They seemed noobish (backwaddle-addle, panic movement, DR immune spammed…) and I got really relaxed, I let my guard down. However, I still got oneshot. I dropped the ball here majestically. Then my brother told me that “No matter how noobish, always play your best”, which made me realise this.
Anyways, this season can burn I won’t care that much, unless I get extremely bored. Some people need to tone down their PvPCheck status worship.
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Reaching 1800 is same as reaching 1800 correct, reaching 1800 playing 90% matches versus multi expansions worth glads season after season with half having over 2.7-3k exp is the equivalent of essentially playing on 2400+ rating even if youre on 1800 rating
I can say with clear conscience Ive played “high rating” for this season cause game and the people playing it have put me ever since from 1600 Ive had to play against these high team of friends game after game
Going to ignore this user onwards as his clearly troll or just too dense to even understand something as simple
If you play on 1600 its not 1600 if you play versus mr 2800xp and his friend game after game its essentially same as playing on +2400 ratings then even if your current rating is ridiculously low for this type match to even happen on first place and this current season 3 the ladder has been only the later mentioned and no I dont have years of arena history nor friends with years of history to play consistently with as these people infesting low ratings currently have.
I mean alot of these people even use each others alts names as a joke to each other, anyone not see they are team of both having years of high over 2800+ history in this is a halfwit
And conduits on 2400 especially for this season is stupidest idea ever end of subject
You know you are toxic when even one word or sentence you are able to produce is so toxic or ignorant that you annoy people off, ponder on that one day trough years you grow up
Good day and welcome to block dont bother to reply for me atleast onwards with this type idiocy or attempt to troll I wont bother to read it
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So much copium. I would go easy with that thing buddy
Btw your “i blokk u!!1!!1!1!1” narrative kinda crumbles when you’ve already said that to me a month ago or so when I replied to you in another thread XD
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Never go fullr 
Thanks for proving the point of not able to read tho and remember to fully understand what you are reading is as essential as understanding the wordz and letterz and sh1t 