A player ,playing 12 chars and for 12 hours is more invested than a person playing 1 char for 1 hour and please stop telling people not to play alts and stop telling others what an MMO is just because you spoke to a dev once does make your view the right one .
He posts on 8 different chars which makes it more ironic .
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Yes, classic, that version of wow where everyone buys dungeon boosts to get to 60, completes the raiding content in days and then moans about how they âneed moar contentâ because theyâre bored of farming gold endlessly (which has the knock-on effect of facilitating the GDKP system, which basically turns it into a pay2progress game).
Yes, that classic. That beacon of âtrueâ RPG.
Seriously, sit down. Youâre talking about an old-mindset that is frozen in time. Once upon a time it applied, it still applies in certain games like EQ, but it is not a popular mindset anymore, it does not drive the industry and whether we like that or not is irrelevant. A majority of gamers are not interested in that model of gaming anymore where you need to sink extraordinary hours into a game to feel a sprinkling of progress.
And as for classic representing that âMindsetâ hahahahaha. Classic is full of boosting and adverts to skip levelling content for gold. Itâs full of trading inflated gold amounts for rolls on gear. itâs chock with people clearing stuff in a rush and then moaning theyâre bored.
No matter how much you want it, you will not get that vanilla player base back just by giving them the same game they once played.
This is akin to giving a grown adult the dummy they used as a baby and expecting them to suck on it. People change and the gaming playerbase on the whole has changed massively in the past 16 years and the plodding approach of the âold school MMOâ has faded out of the spotlight it enjoyed in WoWâs heyday ans has gone back to the obscure hobby of nerds that it once was around the time of early EQ etc when basically nobody knew what MMOs were.
Also there is no direct proof classic is doing better than retail. But I will say the forum posts on the classic forums asking for the servers to all be merged so they have a chance of actually playing the raids isnât a reassuring sign given the raids in question need 40 players. TBCC took most of the players away, and WOTLK will too. For many riding the classic wave theyâre in it to just âdo it all over againâ not to stick with it forever, because once those versions reach their end (final patch) thereâs nothing left to do and people will just quit or they progress into the next âclassic expoâ if it exists.
Itâs about reliving the whole experience. Guarantee you if blizzard keep releasing classics like this, you will see a vast majority of the players moving into each new game as it comes, and only a handful will stick behind in each expo. Yes, even for the âbad onesâ like Cata and WoD, people will still do it.
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It is not though and people left in 100âs of thousands to TBCC meaning they did not want classic in the first place âyou think you do but you dontâ
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Free to play games resort to some insidious practices. They have artificial limitations and the game publisher sells the solution. They donât put a lot of money into making a good product, just something that will keep people invested enough to start coughing up money.
This⌠subscription based model is outdated, however, it ensures that the quality of the game (visual, musical, voice acting, ui, latency etc) is far above the free to play ones.
Personally speaking, I am glad WoW is still subscription based because that means my WoW character wonât be lost to oblivion within the next 5 years like many of my other game characters have been coughAioncough (I miss you Garana, my gunslinger!)
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I get ur points, But i dont think its impossible to transform wow into something new, different, and a better version of what it currently is today. I want my time spent in this game to feel more valueble, appreciated, rewarding and fun. I dont want it to feel like a second job, due to mainly timegating. I want value from the money im putting into this game. I want drastic changes in their current design philosophys. I want them to listen to what the playerbase want, not in every single case. But when it comes down to decisions that heavily impact the game and many of these things are described throughout this thread and elsewhere. Im not saying that making the game free to play is the only solution for everything, But if the game was free blizzard could timegate the content as much as they want to. And i would care less about it because im not spending money to play it. If we look at whats been going on last 4 years these things gets worse. I think the game has reached to a point where the quality of the content is good in itself, but it is so negatively effected by timegating that people loose interest. If we are to view the exact kind of game were currently experiencing but from a free to play perspective i would be less bothered, But still bothered cuz there is many challenges for blizzard to overcome.
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What makes wow bad:
- Activision and bobby greed himself (pure waste of a human)
-all the original blizz staff leaving
Easy
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Can you break that down into readable paragraphs please .
f2play btw would be the nail in the coffin for WoW would make the game more toxic and have more bots .
I think that the decline of WoW in my eyes boils down to how the repetitive busywork is a thing even someone playing casually has to due due to the systems in order to get anywhere
The nail in coffin has been since long ago. Everytime a new expansion launches with big promises most players old and new get excited, to later just rediscover that the game isnt too appealing anymore. The toxicity is already a problem, and perhaps the bots(if u think so). Its up to you as an invididual to make sure it doesnt affect you in a negative way. Stay away from it, make friends within the game and stick to ur friends and spread positivity. You cant possibly expect millions of players to change their mentality, You need to start by changing urself. F2P could possibly attract a new longterm audience aswell, And that would benefit the company.
Ofc they are what makes you think they are not ?
They ruined the AH so i am meant not to use it now ?
But i do not need to change in game at all .
It could but it could and will attract lots of trolls and players who would make LOL seem fun .
How would it by pushing away long term players invested in the game who have would now have to deal with more toxcitiy.
Could you please use paragraphs i mean this is a good way make it makes it very hard to read and not very coherent.
I do have a good guild on horde and ali side and part of a very good community but why should i stop meeting others ?
Also sorry to say this but you come across as very aggersive at times and far from positive .
The problem is summed up here.
We provide feedback as to what Blizzard is doing is not what we want.
Blizzard thanks us for feedback. Blizzard then composes an explanation as to why we are wrong and implements the design anyway.
The game is falling apart because they arenât listening to us and they arenât listening to us because their design philosophy is predicated on giving us lots of small dopamine hits rather than deriving pleasure from long term satisfaction.
Look how they ignored us again over tyrannical. Different situation but same underlying thought process. We hate tyrannical and so they considered our hatred of it, how we went out of our way to avoid it, and theyâve decided to make it mandatory.
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Im not a gold farmer, Its not appealing to me. So ive never really been a victim of botters if thats how u wanna describe it, But i understand ur frustration regarding it. Homeever i dont see millions of bots coming just because the game would be free.
Boosting on the other hand, Boosting for gold, RMT, Advertising etc there is no way this is healthy for the game. Make it stop, since yesterday already.
Auctionhouse is the least problem for me personally, I wouldnt even care if they removed it from the game entirely. I play WoW for other reasons 
League is a great game dude, it has tons of active players for a reason.
There is absolutely no evidence that the game would become worse if it was free to play.
The only thing that will make the game worse is if blizzard stops caring and investing in the game. And this is exactly what timegating is, and this is whats currently going on. Were seeing a product systematically getting ripped apart. Timegating is a way for blizzard to make content last longer wich means putting less efforts into the game.
Im happy to hear that you have friends in the game, no i dont want you to stop meeting others. I just pointed out that each individual has their own responsobility in staying away from toxicity. Well im sorry about that i thought i was a nice guy 
. im genuinly just trying to lift some important questions about huge problems within the game.
Never said i was a victim i said they ruined the AH please do not put in lies into things i have not said ty .
Been in since MC and legal .
I agree.
So because you do not like it millions of others have to suffer âŚselfish view .
Please do not call me a dude as i am female and do not like that word thank you .
It also has the rep for the most toxic playerbase out .
No evidence it would be better either .
I just do not think you are honest by posting on 2 chars in same thread .
I think the biggest problem with modern wow is that it doesnât feel like a whole game, everything is so atomised and separated that it almost feels like the separate game modes of something like Hearthstone or a MOBA like League.
You donât play WoW, you raidlog. Or you donât play WoW, you do arena. That is not how itâs supposed to be in my mind, you are supposed to play wow as a complete game. A large part to this problem is the fact that they completely abandoned any form of world content or profession stuff which often acted as a casual ââbridgeââ between endgame content.
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did you try playing TBC? that is and ALT unfriendly EXPANSION
compare to that Shadowlands is easy
Me too.
I didnt mean to display it in a selfish way, I care about the health of the game and the playerbase.
I dont wanna get into to much details regarding gold, and the auctionhouse because i dont have alot of experience regarding the subject. But im sure tools can be made to get rid of bots etc. But can we trust blizzards way of adressing these problems? I think not.
Im sorry miss
True, id say its not a reputation and more concidered a fact. Everyone knows it at who has played it ^^
The ship is sincing, were soon down in the deepest and the darkest place in the big bad sea.
Are we willing to try new methods into rescuing the game?
Would u be happy if i changed back to my warrior and only keep posting in this thread with him from now on ? (Im a orc warrior irl aswell, big muscles etc, tattoos 
)
I started playing wow in TBC, I experienced it back in 2007.
But ye ive played classic i have 2 lvl 60s its a nice game, but not my cup of tea. I was going to tryhard in tbc at first until i realized what was going on in the bigger picture. And that made me realize there is no way im gonna let their bi product replace their main product, So im not even a supporter of it anymore.
To be fair, Both expansions are alt unfriendly in their own seperate ways.
With acceptable parameters im talking about specs where the difference is like 150dps for single target. I have already excluded hardliners. Also Enhance in your example is suffering from a poopton of issues, not just covenants. The whole spec right now is trash due to encounters and other classes doing its job better or are more desired. A group takes an enha because they have to, not because they want to
Ye mate, totally ignoring this statement. Im flaming Blizzard and especially Ion on a daily basis so you can sod off with that.
Doesnt negate what i said. Also i have stated this more often than not that the covenant system is trash. Im talking purely about raw numbers. That a potential decrease in a favourite covenant feels âmeeeehâ is an entire different issue.
Watch your mouth.
A: Its an upgrade yes. Its however miniscul. You can easily get away with not doing it. Even if youre just at 225 or 210 ilvl of the legendary. What i said doesnt change. No the 5week requirement to upgrade to max is not fun but that is not relevant to the power and a separate issue.
Also whos talking about legendaries on my alts? I said im using a 190 ilvl legendary on SLG Mythic.
Strawman/whataboutism. You talked about there being no privileges. Which is false. And i wasnt talking about RIO score whatsoever.
That was a statement regarding your last 3 questions. I dont have to care about something to give an opinion about it ontop of it. What i said is even implying that your suggestion with the ârun it as much as you want for ashâ isnt bad that i personally couldnt give a rats. Reading comprehension is key.
The removal of it wasnt an issue. It being replaced by a similar system was. Because these systems are also an balance nightmare ontop of it.
It can also be that they are simply blind given they have stated in the past they dont do a lot of stuff because âit could confuse the playerbaseâ which is absolute horsepoop given how the game became world of simcraft anyhow. And now couple that with Ions love for systems such as Covenants and the likes.
And youre not a Gladiator. So. And let me return this: âlululu you cant even clear any pve content lululuâ. You can pull that high horse card the moment you received Gladiator. My point stands whether you like it or not.
Ye its called burst meta. And once again your rating bash is absolutely meaningless.
To whom you dont belong to. Correct.
Also you already proved that you have no clue about PvE yet tried to talk about it by saying âye if youre doing pve contentâ so following your own logic you should remain silent on the matter as a whole given your absolute lack of anything noteworthy in that sector (again: Following your own logic). 190 to 235 is an upgrade yes, but its by far not as big as you make it out to be for a singular slot. 190 to 235 are 3ilvl, 210 to 235 are 2 and 225 is around 1. Thats how it is. If you had the skill of an gladiator you would get Gladiator anyhow regardless of your item being 190ilvl. Would i get gladiator? Most certainly not in a single season or xpac. Am i even interested in it is another question. Im not. The stats on the items are horrendous and the temporary ilvl upgrade i get is not worth the troubles. And now with 9.1 onwards i have even less reason to touch PvP items given their decreased ilvl in PvE.
If you want me to refrain from commenting on PvP based on your logic then you will have to stop commenting on PvE as well.
That the timegating of it is generally annoying is once again a separate issue.