Blizzard, what is happening here. There is no way that you don’t realize that a buff to the 2p is not good enough. It was contributing approximately 1.5% in single target, and its value has been just about doubled. That is, on paper. In practice it’s like less, given how an increased proc rate will also increase the amount of munched procs. I don’t know if it’s even worth talking about the minor impact this will have on the value of the 4p, but it most certainly won’t be a lot. You need to add some way to combat munched procs, if only by making them stackable. Well, really you should fully rework the 2p as we’ve suggested many times over and we still maintain that that is the only way to make it not terrible.
If we’re being very generous, then these changes will result in about a 2% increase, or a resulting single target dps of about 214k. That is still lower than every single other spec in the game, even before all the buffs they received today.
You can’t just leave us hanging with a 2% increase. You said you were thankful for the feedback that was provided, so could you at least demonstrate that you actually read it? It is beyond laughable and straight up agonizing that we’ve finally seen some windwalker tuning just for it to be this pitiful.
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What he said ^
I cba raging on forums but have my bump.
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Wait wrong char, I never use forums lol. There u go, another bump.
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This is the first time ever commenting a post in a Wow Forum, for the love of god Blizzard - PLEASE SHOW OUR SPECC SOME LOVE, there are so many People in the Class Discord or in the Forum giving you Solutions and Feedback on how to fix or improve this insanely huge mess called Windwalker.
This change is not enough at all.
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I second this, straight up laughable.
It do not be looking good for us, looks like another tier at the bottom of the barrel.
To the blizzard balance team i wanna say something. There is a saying in my country it roughly translates as
“It is ok if you dont know but it is shame if you dont learn”
I think it is obivious as the monk community we think you guys literally have no idea how ww spec works. If that is not the case it definitly feels like that. Lets forget about the past and just talk about s3. Everything you guys doing about s3 set was wrong from the start.
We said this desing was wrong at s2 set and you guys changed it only to bring it back for s3 even just this can show how less you care about this community. And we give feedback again and again but you guys focus on wrong things.
we say this design is wrong so increasing numbers wont do the effect you think they do(unless you add like overall %20 damage increase) so please stop being so stubborn and listen this community for a change. It is ok that you dont know. We are not searching for criminal to lock up for all the things happened to us. We just want to be able to play the spec we all love thats all.
Now! Lay back, relax, and be open minded. It is ok so far everything you do was wrong. Just from this moment do the right thing and everything gonna be alright. We beleive in you Monk balance guy (whoever you are) now you beleive in yourself and pull this off
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Bumping, needs god. “thank you for feeback on ptr, was helpful” … sure budd ¬_¬
Just like my fellow Windwalkers have said, Blizzard just listen to us when we say the tier set for S3 is awfull and needs changes.
Also something I’d like to add, creating procs is one thing but not making them stack in a rotation that needs to be flowing in a certain order is just creating more issues where more spells need to be used inside a small windows to not waste these procs, and that feels awfull even more so when these spells do 0 damage.
We need buffs, and big ones on our core damage dealers just to be competitive with ALL the other Dps specs.
If you have no idea how to fix WW (even if multiple solutions have been mentioned on the Peak Of Serenity Discord) then at least give us enough of a boost to be able to deal normal damage and not be bad in both ST and AOE.
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Out of all the things you could have buffed you gave us more tier set procs when we were already struggling to harvest value from it at the previous amount. Many of us who spent weeks on the PTR, giving feedback, trying to improve the spec, told you that how little value we get from CDR and blackout reinforcement procs. Now you gave us 60% more of something we advocated against, that doesn’t make our spec stronger or better to play. This just amplifies all the issues we pointed out with the tier, more procs will be wasted, all this CDR we don’t even have the globals (and now not even chi) to put our abilities on cooldown. How does one meant to play this mess of a spec optimally now is beyond my understanding.
The community perception for WW monk is at an all time low, tier after tier we get laughable tier sets, that even if it gets changed the damage is already has been done. Poor tuning at the start of the tier that puts us to the bottom of the charts once people start picking up upgrades because of our lack of scaling. Sure we always get some buffs middle of the tier but by that time its too late, you just cemented WW=bad even further into the community. This happens over and over, tier after tier, same formula same bad outcome. Even if we end up middle of the pack by the end of the season, nobody wants to play monk or play with monks due to all the negativity surrounding it.
Lot of us are passionate about this spec, we play it even if it performs badly. The incredibly fun gameplay is still there its is just getting harder and harder to see the good parts these days with all this nonsense piled on top of it you are so reluctant to change.
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Never posted in forums but this time i’m even more disappointed than i ever was even after the bonedust nerf in SL.
I’m genuinely considering voting with my wallet after this raid because ww handling has been in shambles for years now and it’s just not fun to see your main down bad every tier and be memed on.
Please for the love of god work with the feedback you recieved via multiple cannels. Theres a ton of post in forums from different windwalker expert and even a dedicated section in the class discord with suggested improvements for tuning.
A ton of people, including me, love this specc and played it for years so please dont just ignore all the work put into feedback and show the players you don’t care.
Saying there are no outliers in a bluepost and then ignoring windwalker state completely is just a sign of ignorance or disinterest.
I can only second Seiryoku here.
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This new Tier set bonus is not fun and this buff is counter productive.
Faeline Stomp is not fun, breaks the mobile aspect of the class and the flow of the rotation.
Windwalker always feels like it gets worse as an expansion progresses.
We’re always left waiting for bandaids, it is very frustrating.
Hoping for a rework.
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I kinda gave up making posts for WW, and barely saw other posts for WW and in what a terrible state they are, literally felt sometimes that only 2 or 3 people still play WW, but seeing this post I see some of us are still around!
And I agree with OP, these minor buffs to 2p set is not doing anything, we we’re lowest on the sims, and we still are, heck, i’d even say its slightly worse since the change to 2p is so minor it barely does anything, while some other specs got better buffs increasing their damage more then what WW got, the minor 3% damage increase for Ret for example is still pretty much double of what WW got…
I do not understand how they give such minor buffs to the literally lowest performing Spec out there, not to mention that we only have one dps spec also, this slight buff is not going to do anything for us, we need like a 15% damage increase on everything just to make it so we are in the middle of the pack, but I am really hoping for a Windwalker rework, there is just too much wrong with Windwalker atm.
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I feel like they just scheduled the reworks of all specs by popularity. Since monk is on the bottom you guys pulled the shortest straw.
Well at least i have an alt geared up for new season if WW keeps being this meh looking, really dislike this new tier set, feels very bad the way they want us to play WW, and being poor DPS at the same time ufff 
I have no idea why this class gets so much hate/negligence. To be honest, Monk is the most fun class in the game right now and the most difficult with it’s 10+ button rotation. The gameplay isn’t boring like the others, where you just use 4-5 buttons. It should have way more attention from the devs and players also.
S1 monk was fricking awesome and I had so much fun but now they are at the bottom again. Just why?
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I don’t like to talent into my class or spec identity. I thought I was supposed to be an ultra mobile melee fighter, “A Martial artist without peer”.
Can we just make RSK baseline for all specs and replace it with +1 Roll or something? (Like DH)
Remove White Tiger Statue and replace it with Weapons of Order.
Remove Windwalking and make it baseline for Windwalkers again, and not the measly 4% but the original 10%.
Rework Touch of Death into something like Hammer of Wrath.