Instead of complaining of other people’s headcannon(you did exactly what you complain), you should complain about the crappy lore Blizzard was able to do.
Explain to me like I am 5 what is the whole picture. Maybe I learn a thing or two.
Theramore was there since Jaina helped Thrall and Rexxar to kill her father. I didn’t see any land movement. And the fact that Garrosh saw that as justified … Every genocidal maniac thinks that he’s justified.
Wow, some people really take a made-up backstory about computer pixels far too seriously! 
Unlike you, I cover both stories with a measure of neutrality that seems to be missing in your posts.
Did you go deaf and blind by what the literal NPC’s were showing and doing on that side? Drop your blue sunglasses for once and look at it properly, because a certain colour of pixels is really skewing your perception.
First of all, there was no ‘Honourable’ Horde happening there doing an ‘honourable’ retreat for their ‘honourable’ lives. There was a much needed retreat because they were otherwise going to be overwhelmed and destroyed there and then. They had to escape or they were going to die.
I thought the Horde Hero really struggling with constant spawning demons and then a follow-up of a cinematic of Vol’jin literally getting gutted drove that down. Clearly not.
That’s the point of the Broken Shore’s initial story. No one was going to win, no matter what. That’s the message. That’s the modus operandi. There is no “If the Horde stayed for 5 more mins, the Alliance could’ve TOTALLY won.” If there was any sign of victory, it was going to be a short expansion where the threat, when they already have shown their hand and power, was suddenly destroyed because the Glorious Alliance and the Mighty Horde dealt with it.
No. Just no. From the start of the Broken Shore’s story, there was going to be no winner. And this is where I doubt you were listening or watching even the Alliance OR the Horde’s part in there.
It is really quite sad. This recent take on the Broken Shore is honestly the worst I have had to elaborate. One cannot be this blatantly ignorant…
Stopped reading after this because my second and third most played characters are a Blood elf warlock and troll death knight.
So I just know whatever comes after this is how good you are at bieng neutral and seeing both sides.
Do you really think, after all this time, after all your posts, you are deserving of judging whether someone is neutral or not? Right now, it seems you have no actual response but rather to deflect.
You really don’t know how this works. Instead of trying to find a way of getting the last word in, why don’t you prove me wrong? You did ask me of:
After all.
That is…literally not what happened. The Horde didn’t just decide “alright let’s betray the Alliance”, the Horde literally crumbled, the Legion defeated them and they were overrun, so Vol’jin gave the Order to retreat, because he wanted the Horde to survive.
Shadowtwili if Confirmation-Bias was a god you would be it’s most devout priest and maybe even it’s avatar.
Like…calm down.
I’m still waiting for a response about this from him that isn’t:
“Well, i’ll ignore you now.”
The funny thing is that he’s the one who asked first.
Like I said I stopped reading after your assumption that only you know what did and didn’t happen because unlike me, you play/looked at both sides.
Can’t argue with deranged people that can’t handle the fact that mt 2nd and 3th most played character are Hordies.
How is it not a betrayal to your temporary allies to retreat without informing them?
The only notice the Alliance got was a horn blow and watching the archers that gave cover fire suddenly walk away and then their entire flank was exposed.
I guess if you’re fighting for your life and your friends’ like “heck no” and runs off after 1 punch you’d be totally fine with him abandoning you and all forgiving after you end up near death and hospitalized.
Voljin said “Don’t let the Horde die” which is very open to interpretation.
Sylvanas interpreted that as “retreat”, which is fair ofcourse, but atleast give the Alliance a headsup.
I don’t even know why I continue argueing with people that can see no wrong in whatever the Horde did, I guess I am a masochist or smth
You asked and people responded with sources and experiences. You were willing to inflict that the Horde were bad and awful for an event that was intended to be devastating for both sides.
Yes, there is something wrong with your statement. It doesn’t matter that you’re biased on one side or not, or that you play both factions to assuage your arguments or anyone bringing conflict to your view. You can’t say you play both sides and then immediately offer a biased study from one side only. That is, again, not how it works.
If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. There is no ‘open interpretation’ to evidence staring at your face. Trying to make this into an ‘RP Response’ by saying the Alliance didn’t know isn’t going to help. Why the hell would that argument weigh higher than what the other side went through?
This is a story forum, not the RP forum. Make that response in the right channels.
I will repeat, AGAIN, that you asked for this. Calling people ‘deranged’ for their responses is not only shallow, but quite rude.
Just because I disagree with your stupid and questionable take doesn’t mean I am oblivious. The difference here now with you is that you don’t see a story to be discussed, but rather a points based game that offers little and immodest gratification.
Lol, lmao. “Thats not what happened” is not a source. But you do you I guess.
I wasn’t gonna mention it until some high and mighty troll claimed he knows whats up because he saw/played it on both sides, mind you. But that same troll also claimed “the Horde did nothing wrong”.
L take really.
And how the Horde handled itself on the Broken Shore was clearly wrong. Yet somehow you interpret it as the Horde bieng right???
The Horde suffered, so your argument the Alliance suffered because of the Horde’s reaction doesn’t count.
What?
Also, this is the story forum yeah, we know the story from both sides, and the Horde clearly responded wrong in the moment. You see things from the Horde POV, I see things from the Alliance POV. Thats what happens when you have a story with both sides, with neither side bieng clearly evil.
Calling that RP responses frankly shows you are unwilling to argue on a middle ground, but only want people to agree with your POV and ignore the other side.
You started the name calling, so no idea why you call me shallow and rude when I respond in kind?
Also, throwing more insults isn’t a good look.
Context. Your posts did not offer clarity from both sides. You offered ‘feelies’ of the ‘Honourable’ Horde. Are you honestly saying that prior to my posts you were being kind and considerate?
‘L take’ as you say.
Nice twist. What middle ground did you offer?
Before you see this as an insult, consider what you have given so far. Which is to say, quite literally nothing to be discussed or argued. There is once again evidence that proves you wrong.
What? Exactly what and how did you get that response? Why are you twisting things now to fit your perception and send this back at me? Anyone can see how you were the one in the wrong and there is a recent poster that can instantly back this.
Yes. That is exactly what I have been trying. Responses like:
and
is not proving understanding on both sides.
What isn’t RP response about:
And all the while proved lacking in knowledge of what the Horde was going through. If that isn’t RP response and proof of lacking knowledge and context of all grounds, you tell me what is.
Actually, don’t.
I did not say anything about the Horde being right. I am saying the Horde - with proof - had to leave. Remember, you said the Horde were being ‘honourably’ retreating sarcasm first. No one else did.
You did. You set the ground on fire first.
Oh, so explaining and providing full context means I am playing for one side now, am I? Is this why you don’t go into the full context of your arguments?
Don’t do that. It skews a discussion.
It was literally provided. Why are you being ignorant and obtuse? Before you consider that an insult, no, it’s a sentence that means I am pointing out how you are sweeping aside knowledge offered to you so you can further your argument.
Correct, stop doing that.
Actually, you know what, this is the longest i’ve been on the Story forums. I’ll leave it here.
Feel free to consider that I am the one in the wrong, or what have you. As i’ll unlikely check this archive for much longer. 
They fled the battle cuz the alternative was getting everyone killed. That was the point of the order halls that Horde and Alliance are not enough to save the world.
Yeah, but thats my point too!
They fled which is reasonable, but they did it without warning the Alliance, which caused massive losses for the Alliance too. And set up the path to the Fourth War!
Order Halls were a mistake, they did so much damage to racial/class lore.
Tauren sunwalkers have more in common with druids than paladins, but the Order Hall forced the Silver Hand paladin concept on them!
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