Hear me out, Sin’Dorei, this might be our only chance to strike them.
Let Alliance come and help us in Midnight, to defend Quel’Thalas. Let them gather, surround them and kill them.
Close the doors for the Horde, don’t let them intervene.
This is the only chance we’ve got. Surround and vanquish. Also, enslave void elves, make them either accept who they are or face terrible faith.
While the cleansing is being done, don’t let Jaina and Alleria live.
Alliance has no place near us.
Strike hard and true!
For Silvermoon, for Quel’Thalas amd for the Sunwell!
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you know the sin`dorei (and horde) is in a very bad spot if tehy strike aginst the alliance and wont surive it either.
They need all hel tehy coud need, and without the alliacne the horde woud fall to, because both factiions need each other and without the alliace help, well quel tahakls will be a void paradise and all of azeroth will fall to
your just a short view, hated filled horde fanatic.
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Blood elves would rather feed on that void than allow Alliance flags on their territories. Especially if Jaina is coming.
Death to the betrayers.
And no, we don’t care abpit the Horde either.
Can’t you take these amateur theatrics to the RP-forum or something?
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Hush pest, this time Alliance burns.
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Doing full red wedding by the horde would destroy horde too. Quite stupid move and it enforces the whole idea of horde being the mass murdering villains which they aren’t
But i still agree Jaina should pay for what she did in the past, there has to be another way though than this kind of brutal backstab
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Yeah, it is the same reason the Alliance couldn’t really do much about the Horde’s betrayal at the Broken Shore either. Mutually assured destruction.
Uuuuh, we playing the same game?
Pay for doing nothing wrong?
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Pay for stabbing us in the back multiple times.
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This is exact samething as Garrosh did nothing wrong, or any charachter in other fiction that did heinous things for “good”. Exact same meme going on with Jaina
And broken shore wasnt betrayal so to say, if you watched the horde version of it youd understand that it was has to do and there was no pleasure leaving alliance behind
I don’t know if youre RP:ing or having actual conversation
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Thats the blood elven modus operandi, not Jaina who had a very clear, and vocal, anti-Horde stance which the Sunreavers decided to ignore when they chose Garrosh over Dalaran.
Yes it was. The Alliance trusted the Horde to keep the flank so they could go after the main threat, and the Horde decided their survival was more important than the Alliance’s and the entire world.
Yeah, I watched it, all I saw was the Horde suffering just as much losses as the Alliance, but chickening out.
“Victory or death” (Lok’tar ogar) as a Horde motto really doesn’t work, it should be “Dishonor and cowardice”.
Also, as a lot of Horde fans like to point out when the Alliance, rightfully, distrusts the Horde to not backstab or abandon them again, we need both factions to face this big threat, but it was all crickets and silence when the Horde was the one retreating.
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Jaina didn’t attack first, she retaliated. Are you able to see the difference?
Maybe you should make up your mind. You want Horde to be “conquerors”? Or a “peaceful, shamanistic” society?
So far every time Blizzard tried to do the “conquerors” part, it seems they became genocidal. Then you complain when Alliance retaliates.
They changed it with Forsaken’s “Death to the living”!
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I don’t care what’s Jaina wants
They made a tactical choice to have the Horde stay alive. If you hate that because it hurts your faction ego that is on you so no it never was a betrayal. Filthy alliance scum.
A-… What? This is a really stupid take. Holy hell, the story forums really did fall apart.
Only multiple Erevien’s rule this place now.
From the time ive been in these lore forums its been the same, its people with their own headcanons fighting over what is right and what is wrong.
Only couple sensible people left really that see the whole picture
In Garrosh mind manabombing theramor was retaliation too. Alliance got closer and closer orgrimmar at that point. Its the same in my eyes though ofc manabomb caused bigger destruction
How is it a “take” when it is literally what we see happening.
The Alliance was making progress towards Gul’dan at great cost, the Horde was keeping the flank secure at great cost.
The Horde decided you know what, we can just retreat and the Alliance can take care of itself with a undefended flank.
What did happen in your eyes? THe Horde honourable let the Alliance fight alone while they decided to honourable retreat for their honourable lives?
What the Horde did at Broken Shore is not a headcanon, you literally see it happening in the cinematic???
“See the whole picture”? If Warcraft was any shape of realistic the Alliance would’ve carved up and disbanded the Horde after their second attempt of global genocide and conquest.
Tauren and blood elves could’ve been given membership of the Alliance, Forsaken should’ve been exterminated and the orcish and trollish lands should’ve been garissoned and occupied with overseers to make sure the orcs and trolls don’t try yet another global war of genocide.
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Even forsaken asked for membership of the alliance before horde. And what they got was violent response. It is alliance’s fault that horde banded together
The whole idea was hated races by majority of the world protecting each other originally. It is no wonder for me why they were so vile and agressive against outsiders after the treatment they got
Actually it is unclear how that happened. Chronicles itself states that the Forsaken ambassadors they sent to the Alliance never arrived at Stormwind or Ironforge, no more, no less.
So no it is not a “violent response of the Alliance towards the Forsaken asking for membership”.
Orc’s weren’t genocided by the humans even after pressure from the now blood elves, even after they attempted to genocide all of humanity, dwarvenkind and gnomanity during the Second War.
A Lordaeroni prince (Lordaeroni are now the Forsaken) invades and slaughters 90% of the now-blood elves.
Trolls have attempted to genocide humanity, the now Forsaken, and the now blood elves for thousands upon thousands of years.
Horde races such as the orcs and trolls are innately agressive against outsiders in general.
Also, the Horde is the majority of the world, they have always been the strongest faction on the world.
Anyway the Horde proves that mercy towards the orcs and trolls was a mistake that came back to bite most Alliance races.
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And now we get to the problem that is the chronicles and the lorewriting in general.
The “unreliable” narrator thing that switches things around too much that we don’t actually know what has happened other than if we as players were there but even that has been rewritten manytimes.
And i was talking about forsaken how they acted not orcs or other races. It was an example why it led into what they were and why horde was needed
You even confirmed it with your attitude that all these races should have been killed off by alliance. And there is an reason why the politics are so agressive and vile originally.
It kind of lost its sense later on when even alliance grew more softer
Why is it when I say something you think is not canon, it is my headcanon getting in the way.
But when you clearly spew headcanon it is the fault of “chronicles and the lorewriting in general”?
Ok, you wanna talk about how the Forsaken acted?
If you play the Warcraft III campaign, the Forsaken make a deal with Othmar Garithos.
The deal was that Garithos and his forces aid the Forsaken in killing the dreadlords and in exchange he lets them go and gets to keep Capital City.
Othmar honours the deal in the end, he allowed the Forsaken to walk away free from Capital City.
What do the Forsaken do? They turn around and slaughter all the living in and around Capital City.
THey lie, cheat, dismiss and turn on their first ally.
And then they somehow go “Lets send ambassadors to the Alliance, I am sure the living will trust us”.
The Forsaken are the worst of the worst of the worst, on the level of orcs, really.
My point was that the Horde had absolutely zero reason to be as aggressive and vile to the Alliance races as they were, especially since Alliance races have repeatedly gone out of their way to spare, rehabilitate or aid Horde races. The Alliance even stood aside and let the Horde get rid of Grand-Admiral Daelin Proudmoore to keep the peace.
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