its just not fun. the tanks needs to keep adds stacked and still else you lose dps having to run out or lose 2 secounds or miss a shadow crash feels ape.
Dps is there sure but its just ‘‘clunk’’ fiesta they should have an alternativ for dot spreading that has a 100% to land put mind blast doting VT as back up and SW:D doing Pain as back up so you get something when your clash dont land.
Yes, but early it wasn’t so are they basing the change on the early numbers?
Also, what is happening? I tried torrent and thought I’d pick N’zoth since I was there anyway, and then it outdid Yogg in a +11. Sensitive to stats? Luck?
As someone who’s only done +12 and below I’ll have to disagree. I keep pace with similar ilvl DPS, I fail occasionally on AoE but typically do a little extra on bosses, so my overall is often in line with the others. I do struggle with consistency, but I change my spec often to try to understand it better. But when it comes down to it, on my ilvl/keylvl, mind sear and everything that gets you more mind sears = good. And psychic link doing heavy lifting for literal free outside of that.
Yeahhh a little bit this, but we’re already taking a lot of those abilities anyway?
Also sadge if the alternative change was to make multidotting easier and buff PL that way. It would probably end up with the classic falloff beyond 8 targets in that case.
To be honest, i really don’t dislike how mind sear works.
But what i do dislike is how mind spike works at the moment.
Also, i wish mind blast generated more insanity, and crit generated 2 spirits.
This week was just buffs to spike flay torrent and DP. No changes to functionality. The build people are running now is yogg + cthun or Ysharrj with mind spike and surge of darkness and 2x PL.
Next patch, after the changes to psychic link functionality, people will be running void torrent + malediction in keys. Once you’re that invested in the right hand side of the tree you may as well pick up nzoth.
As for your experience. Low key, unusual circumstance, likely sub optimal play. If you’ve got short pulls your yogg is likely spawning between them and spending a lot of time running around.
Problem with shadow at the momment if tank dont keep bosses adds ANYTHING stacked completely we plummet down a spiral.
thats the problem with having shadow crash as a dot spreader, and mind sear as a spender.
Sometimes its really good sometimes its just dreadful.
They need to make dots cleave more with PL
I find my self doing this build just since its not worth keeping your pet up since PL cleave more.
does good dps on ST too with Dark Ascension buffing those Mind blasts to make you DP stronger. Also Dark Ascension makes the instant proc larger on DP.
I can manage 50k on a clean St fight with this build
Just wish they removed the cast time on our CDS like Void form and Dark Ascension
It makes it so clunky compared to pvp. They should also bake Pi in to our kit and remove it.
And in next patch PL gonna be a thing so that be the death of mind bender pet dream…
Stop running tormented spirits for the love of…
And you wonder why you have insanity issues / think sear only works well when you get procs.
dmg wise maybe. but the whole rotation is awful
it does more over all damage on spirit.
welcome to Drangonflight we having to wait for a skill shot compared to rank 8th we are now rank 20 below tanks. 
This whole aoe is utter toilish boredom.
having to wait for Mind sear having to wait for shadow crash.
But it doesn’t generate any insanity, the thing you are constantly complaining about not having enough of…
think this concept of aoe is bad designed and rushed it forces skill shots on to people and it literally, makes us useless on adds far spread.
Yeah we can use the excuse we got dots. The thing is our dots barely deal damage we rely on Mind sear and shadow crash for damage which in it self is sad when you think about what the class should be,
They can either make [Psychic Link] cleave on VT and SW:P as well would redeemed hitting a shadow crash and or multi dotting Mind sear either needs to die or be reverted It’s anti fun to play with in this interaction it just feels stale if you compare it to a melee class like paladin you feel way op when you proc stuff on that class compared to Shadow.
the pure ST is there the aoe is just boring you really don’t feel like a monk or a DH or Rogue which litterally build up their damage on demand everything lands on demand.
This design is just a legion under garbo rework no real imagination behind it.
I have absolutely no idea what on earth you’re talking about.
Um?
You know ret is a mile below shadow in all pve contrnt right? Lol what are you on about?
Well yah. Ofcourse u dont, your not susposed to feel like those other classes either. Bexause ur not those classes lol. You now demanding homogenisation aswell?..
You proclaim legion design based on a existing abilitys name alone and wonder why people disagree.
Its rly hard understanding what ur on about, you talk about all these classes ur naming rely on short / long CDs to perform its big aoe bursts, im unsure if uve actjally tried any of them.
Shadow atleast in m+ is doing pretty well. This seems like a larger issue l2p wise, then it is the class. Sure there are gripes but seriously damage rly isnt the issue
No class in the game is having aoe at its best performance on every pull, a dps meter is all u need to identify people are achieving their top aoe scores on every pack.
the shadowlands design was funnier to play with the set bonus we had was funnier to proc. This have to wait for CDS design is boring. They had 3 years to come up this design it feels like they came up with in the last second.
They are literally forcing us to play void form cast shadow crash spam void bolt of cd try hit it its literally the same design as legion. Though blizzard would walk away from the legion design people were bored of it.
Only difference from legion design is we got renew and Flash heal back.
And that stress form is another kind of stress form in the way you need to spam DP or Mind Sear to keep it up.
Shadowlands smashed it in season 4 compared to this season loved it during the end you didn’t have to click void bolt nor specc shadow crash to be viable in dps aoe and ST.
They should make shadow a 2 specc system one for stress people and one for people that want to play old school.
they should have void priest and shadow priest talent row for the next expack they should make 2 different speccs for shadow and not try to combine them one that focus on void and one that focus on shadow.
Like they did for feral and Guardian druid, blizzard has too much potential losses would be fun to see if they could come up with a void priest specc and a shadow priest specc.
i disagree. a wonky design which was good for 1 tier, because its tier set finally managed to carry it, isnt good design nor fun.
in M+ Void form is Optimal sure, however in ST (Raids) Dark Ascendence becomes the better option. so i’d say its pretty muich working as intended.
If thats the only difference u can spot between legion and DFs design, then im afraid u didnt play one of them lol.
Legions Surrender to Madness Run in legion S1, was ALOT faster in gameplay and Drowned down to a 2 button Spam over time not to mention several other factors.
but it really didnt… a tier set carried it with passives. that was it, its design was still just as bad as SL S1.
them just passively elevating a bad build. doesnt make it good lol, in the slightest.
The set made sense to make in to a talent but they removed it.
Still a stress form in the sense you need to spam mind sears or DP to keep it and also void bolts which in it self is a stress form build.
Living Shadow was actually fun to prolong up to 1min and see it cleave the adds down much rather have that over the crappy spend sear and void form we got this tier
Its the most fun i’ve had since cata without the stress form and force shadow crashes and void bolts.
Just sad people want this garbo version of shadow back and we plummeted down to bottom in dps from rank 8 to 20. The devs needs to go out the door and they need to bring in more competent people.
They either need to make 2 different talent rows like they made for Feral and guardian druids one for Void priest and One for shadow priest.
Its the only solution i see for this specc.
Talking about how stale shadow is compared to Season 4 SL
I wouldnt call that stressful in the slightest?
Seems more like u just trying to find something to complain about.
its not fun in the slightest also not complaining when there is statistics showing it does not work.
statistics from where exactly.
and if ur going to delve into Popularity again its BS im afraid, and the outdated info from the Old Tier lists regarding classes are also by now incorrect due to all the nerfs and buffs that have happened. BM hunter is in terrible position, however still remains one of the most popular speccs in the game.
Its Mid pack, in raids and M+. that pretty much shows its Working.
now
Shadowlands.
Shadow plummeted to nothingness.