This talent is driving me INSANE - can we please discuss / get your advice?

[Gustov-bloodfeather]

Hello fellow rogues,

Hope all is well. So I played wow yeeeeeeeeeeeeears ago and quit after The Burning Crusade. I came back to my level 70 tier 2 kitted rogue being level 27 and have since leveled to 70. Once I hit 70, I went on Murlok and copied the talent spec of the top rated rogue. Now here comes the question:

All the best players have the talent Subterfuge (Moves which usually require stealth lasts for 6 seconds)

Now, this is currently killing my playing experience as when I exit and enter stealth, my actions bars don’t change immediately and given my key bindings are as below, this is a massive pain - I used to be able to use the same button for 2 actions, as below:

F - Cheap shot (in stealth) and mutilate (out of stealth)
E - Sap (in stealth) and Evis (out of stealth)
2 - Ambush (in stealth) and gouge (out of stealth) - this is a perfect example, previously I could press 2 then 2 to ambush and immediately gouge - but now I have to assign gouge to something else?

There will be times when I have just left stealth and want to use gouge (for crowd control for example) but with my current key bindings, I’d have to wait 6 seconds before it becomes available.

Is there no way to get around this other than putting these abilities on a separate action bar and creating new bindings for them? I can do that but I would really really prefer not to - losing 3 of my super quick access key bindings is a massive ball ache, particularly for PVP. Us rogues have so many actions as it is.

I try and keep all my key moves on 1-5 and qertfxcv

At first, I genuinely thought there was a bug with the action bars!

Also, with this talent, I assume AMBUSH (as assas) gets a lot more use? (Rather than mutilate / backstab)

Thanks so much in advance for your help,

Gustov

[Gavia-deathwing]

I recommend reading some guides for your spec, make sure what abilities you will use in your stealth window and have your stealth bar filled with all abilities you need in your rotation after stealth. Then setup the no stealth bar according to that, so that you have same keybind position fro spells that you use in stealth and also without stealth (garrote as assa, between the eyes as outlaw etc.). For example, my idea with this is to have (as outlaw) the same keybind position for between the eyes on bar in stealth and on bar of stealth. Or same with sinister strike on nonstealth bar since it can proc into free out of stealth ambush use, so it is another spell that I use in stealth and out of stealth…

Sorry if that sounds complicated or doesn’t answer your question

[Gustov-bloodfeather]

Please don’t apologise for trying to help!

You’re right in a way, ambush for example is always going to be better than mutilate so no need to actually worry about not being able to access mutilate for 6 seconds.

The most important things imo are being able to access crowd control immediately when out of stealth so kidney shot and gouge which I’ve had to bind to a different action bar and reassign to a different key binding. For example gouge was on 2 out of stealth but 2 is also assigned to ambush in stealth so I can’t gouge for 6 seconds if I keep it on 2. So to fix this, I’ve moved gouge to a different action bar and assigned it to 3.

Say I’m about to kill a target and a healer comes by to save him, I need that instant access to gouge to stop the heal.

Can’t lie, quite surprised there haven’t been more replies to this but think I am so programmed to stun locking from the vanilla days and rogue nowadays isn’t so much about that - it’s about when you use your skills / less so about having absolute control of a fight.

[Gavia-deathwing]

Yes, with subterfuge, I had to readjust the bars completely different and if I think about it, I guess I have most of the cc on different binds and different bars than on the bar that changes based on if you are or aren’t in stealth (except maybe cheap shot). The setup on rogue makes the class kinda complicated to pick up. And when I switch to my hunter it feels kind of liberating, since I don’t have to watch combo points, different stealth/no stealth fazes and buffs (slice, roll the bones…) or procs on outlaw rogue…