Tier 9, 10 & 11 Delves Are Pointless

I love the Delves I do them on all my Characters but Bountiful Delves gear is capped at 603 barely above Normal raid and the Vault if you do Tier 8 or higher is capped at 616 but why.

If Delves are meant to be a 3rd end game system shouldn’t they offer loot similar to Mythic+ with at least Tier 11 Delves offering 623 gear in the Vault maybe 619 from Bountiful Delves chests and some Guaranteed Gilded Crests in every Bountiful Chest.

There isn’t much way for people to farm Gilded Crests if they aren’t in a Mythic Raiding Guild and aren’t doing Mythic+ and that also doesn’t make Delves feel like a 3rd End Game System which is what Blizzard have said they are in multiple interviews.

As of right now any Delves above Tier 8 isn’t worth doing and once you have all 616 ilvl Gear the Delves aren’t worth doing at all as they offer no better loot an End Game System should offer you some of the best loot all the way to end of every Tier otherwise it is a temporary system at best and kinda pointless.

You’re dead right.

The problem is in the latest interview Ion spoke about the gear interaction between M+ and delves (M+ wasn’t worth doing below M7 because of delves).

This makes me believe they may even nerf delve rewards in future and not buff them to be a proper endgame pillar (ie higher difficulty higher rewards).

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Which is even more strange when multiple dev’s one of them being Ion came forward before the full release of TWW and said Delves would be a 3rd End Game Pillar to then not make it an End Game Pillar.

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I agree, but hes a lawyer. I’m sure he’ll clarify that what he reaaallly meant was…

I may be doing him a disservice, lets see what happens I guess.

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M+ is still far more lucrative if you are looking for linear gearing. Crests from +4 outweighs the gear you get. 45 crests nets you a 619 straight away from crafting.
The problem is +3 and +2. M0 is still fine, as it gives drops per bosses and has daily lockout. If it were to give Champ gear, then Delves would be already dead

Imo, they just have to make it so the Bountiful keys can be used as a bonus roll in M+. Would fix a lot of issues without making delves irrelevant.

Delves aren’t hard enough to justify that and simply turning up the difficulty tuning knobs they have available won’t change that because of the limited aspects of difficulty delves can work with being completely spec agnostic non time sensitive content. Making delves sufficiently challenging to award mythic track requires making them no longer delves.

Blizzard are reviving horrific visions in 11.2. I personally suspect that’s where the solo path to myth track gear will be.

Even devs make mistakes.

The gear problem in PvE has existed for a long time. M+/Raid and the “competition” between them.

If you add a 3rd pillar, you turn a 2-way problem that has a chance of being balanced out, to a 3-body problem that is impossible to balance out.

They wont touch their “flagship” raids. They wont touch M+ because of how many people do it. It leaves Delves. If they become more popular than M+ then they win. If they dont, they loose.

We dont know which one will. We can only wait.