As someone who charges for services (in real life I am well paid for giving advice) I understand supply and demand quite well.
The game is creating a demand and players/communities/whatever are fulfilling that demand. The only real way to reduce boosting is better game design.
Prices will be similar across many suppliers as boosting is effectively a commodity in that no matter what you pay you get the same result (eg +15 boost is the same no matter what is charged), so naturally there is strong competition on price, which leads to price competition and you end up with very similar pricing across all platforms.
I also âboostâ players. By that I mean helping out guildies and others gear up by running dungeons, etc. I donât charge as I donât need gold- but people would pay if I asked as people frequently offer to.
If you want to ban âboostingâ where do you stop? You say Blizz could easily tell looking at a group, but how would they tell a âfreeâ friends group boosting from a paid run?
As for the LFG spam, thatâs typical in last stage of an expansion when the world and itâs mother is looking to monetise their ilvl before the next release. Ban some and you will just find more taking their place.
Overexaggerating things makes you seem less believable.
Alright, you didnât say all, you never clarified how many, but you insisted that âboosters sell gold for real money, other than tokensâ.
Iâve looked up a random boosting website (the first one that came up when I googled âwow boostâ) that sells 10/10 heroic Lootshare, persoloot or VIP runs and have directly compared them to oblivions boosting prices.
A full Castle Nathria heroic ruin 10/10, with lootshare is 20âŹ, Oblivion costs you 350k, given that the token is around 200k and costs 20âŹ, the boosting community is more expensive than the shady website.
Castle Nathria with persoloot is 14âŹ, compared to oblivions price, 250k. Again, boosting community is more expensive.
Castle Nathria with 1 VIP Trader 17âŹ, oblivion 420k. Gold price is over twice as much.
A mythic +15 key costs 19âŹ, compared to oblivions price 175k, theyâre similar, although Iâd say oblivion is a bit cheaper this time.
Iâd say theyâre far from identical.
Yup, but if we put everyone on death row because Ronjambö-Nagrand said they were murderers and not put any burden of proof on him, itâd kinda be silly, wouldnât it?
Iâve actively visited the discord of Chromies Boostcommunity, Garona Boostcommunity and Oblivion Boostcommunity to compare prices for what youâve said.
Iâve also done googling.
What Iâve found was that your evidence was weak at best and would not hold up in a court of law.
I also found out that you did not understand the concept of âburden of proofâ which means somebody being accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty. Imagine showing up in a court and telling the judge âman do your own research, itâs literally everywhere.â
Actually kinda funny, you should try that.
Iâm not saying RMT doesnât exist, in fact I believe itâs going more strong than ever. Iâm saying itâs already forbidden to be a part of real money trading and guilds and players are already getting banned for it, so using it as an argument to make boosting for gold bannable is silly.
If there is a connection between the boost community and RMT, or the booster and RMT, I highly advocate for banning them.
If there is none, I donât believe thereâs any reason to ban their craft from the game. What is your stand on people and communities who donât breach ToS and donât take part in RMT? Do you want them gone as well?
Because if your answer is âyesâ, then your pet peeve is with boosting in general and your entire arguments are based on your personal dislike of boosters and boosting communities, not on rational thinking.
And if your answer is ânoâ, then I donât understand why weâre having this argument, because I agree with âban all real money tradersâ.
im not overstating anything, there are tens of thousands of people in the boosting communitiesâ discord serversâŠ
what do you think i meant?
These words âloot shareâ âvipâ âself playâ etc⊠they are what you should be looking at.
are you taking the michael ?
Blizzard donât need a court of law to ban players that help to ruin the game, they only need to use their best judgement and a bit of common sense.
Stronger than ever⊠you donât sayâŠ
Probably because any community said to be boosting only for gold are feeding, enabling and obfuscating the ones who do it only for real money.
Look, i have been saying in this topic that the In-Game Advertisements and anyone posting them should be silenced and banned. I donât give a shoot if someone wants to boost their guild mates, or their friendsâŠ
It is supposed to be against the terms of service to use the group finder for advertising, but the games masters do not do anything about it. They say they do, but yet we see exactly the same characters posting exactly the same adverts from exactly the same accounts daily. We report them, nothing happens other than it hides the advert from us until we relog, then we see them again.
Their accounts should be silenced for any form of in-game boost advertising. If they advertise communities, websites or even twitch, they should be banned yes.
Look at how empty the servers are right now⊠so many people have been boosted that they feel they have completed the content, so new players, returning players and those who play at a slower pace now are having a hard time to make groups.
This isnât misplacement of blame.
I think you need to stick a pin in your head to release some of the pressure.
Nobody is jealous of you buddy. If we want gold we will go buy a wow token or spend some time grinding for gold.
Kind of ironic that the people in this topic are so adamant that blizzard wont ban boosts because of wow token sales, then the ones conning others out of their gold claim that people are jealous of the gold they have⊠if people wanted gold they would just get some easy enough.
People donât envy boosters, people hate boosters with a passion for being the cause of this game being so toxic and rushed at the start of a season, and empty at the end of the season.
People in a discord server != people being boosters.
Read my post again, Iâve compared these things. And except for a +15 key, none of the prices were close to each other.
The archangel that stole the âELâ from âsatanaelâ? What?
Blizzard needs some sort of evidence to back up bans. They canât just ban people because Ranjambö-Nagrand believes they âruin the gameâ. Otherwise, what prevents people from advocating to ban you, or me, for ruining whatever experience they have, by taking in part in whatever gameplay they believe to be hurtful to the game?
You canât just ban players on opinions, what kinda system would that be?
Now weâre back to feeding, enabling and obfuscating, rather than actively taking part in? Which one is it? Is every community part of RMT or are they simply feeding, enabling and obfuscating RMT?
Advertisements in LFG? Yes, agreed.
In tradechat? Although I hate the spam so much that Iâve downloaded Badboy ccleaner, Iâll have to objectively say, boosting is a trade. Boosting advertisements have more place in tradechat than guild advertisements have.
So I donât think silencing people posting advertisements in tradechat should be silenced, unless there was be some policy change and a dedicated channel to boost advertisements. If said dedicated channel was created, Iâd gladly go with âsilence everybody advertising in /2â, but since there is none, thereâs no other option to advertise these services ingame. And well, thereâs very obviously a demand, otherwise the supply wouldnât be needed.
Agreed, thatâs an issue. Hold Blizzard responsible for not enforcing their own rules regarding the matter. Not sure how, if you find out, you tell me, Iâll gladly join in on the cause. LFG adverts need to get stopped.
Are you talking about LFG adverts? Then I agree. Tradechat adverts are, thus far, still allowed and in fact the only way these people can advertise ingame, legally. Although I feel like there should be something along the lines of one post every 5 minutes at a max, or rather an entire dedicated channel with boost adverts being entirely removed from the tradechat.
Advertising websites, twitch or communities should only be bannable if these websites go for real money boosts.
Although all those twitch streamers that are playing âsub keysâ are effectively doing real money trading, so ban them from both WoW as well as twitch.
In general, I donât disagree with you on most of the topics, just some.
Namely:
people who advertise in tradechat should get silenced
boost communities all take part in real money trading
people who advertise for websites, twitch or communities should get silenced / banned
Tradechat needs some sort of âboost only tradechatâ, so people can opt out of that one and be safe from spam. Until thereâs an alternative, tradechat is where boost advertisements belong. I donât like it either, but thatâs just the way it is, things will never be the same.
I donât believe boost communities are part of RMT. If you have any evidence on the topic, other than âlook it up for yourselfâ, which I did and Iâve found no obvious link between one of the largest boost communities and the first hit on googles âwow boostâ regarding prices, feel free to share said evidence and if it is hard evidence, Iâll be the first to advocate for banning these people.
I believe advertising for websites, communities and twitch streams is once again fine, unless theyâre part of RMT, which is not.
Even if they did, they can simply log in, open the group finder tool and there they have all the evidence they would ever need to ban people for in-game advertising.
You guys are replying to my posts as if I were the OP here. I am saying (once again, to be clear) that they should ban in-game advertising of boosts for cash or for gold.
I also say again, since you canât be bothered to read the whole topic, that I was once banned for a period of time, for repeating the name of a gold seller website in the trade chat. (i only said it 1 time and was banned).
Blizzard have automatic systems which can ban people for spamming certain website links in chat channels. These systems are currently disabled.
If I could be banned for repeating the name of a website, then boost spammers and those who abuse the Group Finder tool can and should be banned. With incremental time bans which lead to permanent bans.
If you stop the in-game advertising, then it will have an affect on the amount of boosting that happens.
They are banning and suspending sellers - I advertised for a free community, no ads, no twitch, no raffles, no lottery, no sub, or follow requirements, you simply join and request a boost, we do not make any money, we do not have any monetization.
And I got a 7 month suspension for advertising that in the LFG. Itâs just that they transfer the gold they get to other accounts, they buy for the gold, and money they make, and someone like me, an honest, genuine person canât do that, because I dont make anything.
Burner accounts. And it went, fast didnât take me a few minutes to get that suspension clocked onto my account, but as I have always said⊠Its the gold sellers reporting me, they want me gone, not the actual players.
Boosting raids or dungeons for gold is ok and been there always nothing wrong in that. Im not blaming any Raid boosting community, they just make gold in game with something they are good at. But those shady sites and their services hit also now to those Raid boosters who do it only for gold and get blamed for no reason because shady sites services
Youâre right, they donât. But if they wanted to not ruin their entire game, they wouldnât randomly ban people who arenât breaking ToS.
Thatâs about it, youâre advocating to randomly ban people for no reason other than your personal feelings. What a terrible mindset youâre showcasing.
The game is dead right now, and will be until season 2 goes live. We have a long wait for that. Before they launch content, Blizzard calculate how long it will take people to complete the content. They donât take into account the affect of boosting in these calculations.
So why is the game dead right now? Because of all the boosting that has been going on at an increased rate. Each season the situation gets worse.
To stop the servers from going prematurely dead towards the end of a season, they have to do something. The action they can take is already in their terms of service. Donât spam channels, and donât use the group finder tool for advertising.
They should act on this. A ban wave is needed. Thatâs not personal feeling, thatâs business.
I am speaking from a games developer point of view. If it were my game I would have already taken action before a topic like this popped up on the forums.
Believe - Blizzard lose a lot more money from loss of subscriptions due to dead servers, than they would lose from wow token sales from banning people for advertising boosts.
Itâs your personal feelings. Repeating twice that it isnât doesnât change that fact. Advertising in trade chat is obnoxious, not bannable. They shouldnât ban people that arenât breaking ToS, thatâs uncalled for and nothing but arbitrariness.
Iâm glad it isnât.
Thereâs no point in continuing this conversation, you have nothing to add towards this entire discussion, other than made up arguments about how every boosting community is also involved in real money trading, with not a single point of evidence thatâs been presented, and how the game is dead and boosting killed it.
Itâs quite tiresome. If youâre going to be an echochamber, try being one of less frequently repeated statements.
look, it just seems like you stand to lose something if they take action.
Itâs got nothing to do with my feelings. Why do you think they limited the trade channel so that you can only post 2 times in it before it triggers a cooldown timer? Because spamming isnât allowed. Why do you think you can right click on someone and report them for spamming? Becuase⊠spamming isnât allowed.
I have reported people for spamming all day in the past, and then the next day they are gone. Gone to make a new account and a new character.
So stop trying to twist things onto me. I am not making up anything. Your opinion is that I am wrong, and your feelings are what is showing through here.
I study games development, and have done for the past 14 years or so. What I am saying is that they should silence accounts for spamming boost adverts in chat channels and silence and ban advertisements in the group finder. I state my reasoning for that (dead servers) but you just canât accept what I am saying as a valid point.
The player base of every game is a leaking bucket. As a developer you must do whatever it takes to plug the holes before a new one gets poked into the side of the bucket. Boosting is killing the game. Blizzard are losing more money each season due to the affect of it.
It doesnât matter what you think or feel, and the only feeling I am displaying here is a love for a game which is dying because of the gaping hole caused by boosting.
When players log on to empty servers, they log off and go to play something else. They unsubscribe. They donât invite their friends to play.
Yup, I actively boosted for gold in the past to earn my Caravan Brutosaur and I plan to do so again, whenever Iâm in need of some gold, for whatever.
Iâm a huge advocate for banning people who advertise in the LFG tool and a huge advocate for something to remove the spam from /2 as well.
So why are you so keen on attempting to ban people who did not break ToS, if it isnât due to your feelings?
Ah yes, so the
Isnât a made up argument, which Iâve factchecked and has been proven to be wrong?
Where you talk a lot about proof but provide, once again, none, isnât made up either?
Mate⊠thatâs gotta be rough at some point you need to catch the hint. Man that statement is seriously depressing.
I agree, spamming should get met with a silence.
Also agreed, never said anything else.
As somebody who plays on a dead server, thereâs no spam in trade chat. Thereâs nothing in trade chat at all, except the occasional advertisement every 10 - 15 minutes.
What does boosting do that it didnât do 10 years ago? It existed back in vanilla, it existed in BC, it has existed ever since. Thereâs a âfamousâ adult video a girl made for an Amani Bear back in BC.
Or you know, the class design, the entire concept of finishing expansions after releasing them, rather than before, the storywriting, the meaningless grinds that never end, the still existing random upgrades, the fact that most competent developers have left the game, and similar are what has caused the gaping hole and youâre too upset about people boosting to notice the obvious flaws in game design?
Yeah about that, I still donât quite get it. Was it boosting that made Blizzard stop halfway through with server merges? Was it boosting that made them delete the thread about ongoing server merges without any message whatsoever? Did boosting make them ignore dead servers for years, to only merge very few of the many dead servers and then go back to ignoring them?
Or was it perhaps⊠the fact that having peoples old characters be stuck on dead servers is valuable to them, given the fact that they charge 25⏠per character transfer?
Boosting isnât the root of all evil, no matter how you attempt to phrase it. I know youâd like to blame it all on one thing, and trust me, so do I, because thatâd mean fixing that one thing would make the game better again, but itâs much more than just one thing.
Itâs the mentality of players and developers; itâs the storywriters that have been burned out for the past 10 years, or are too new and unfamiliar with the story to create proper ones; itâs the fact that every developer thatâs worth a dime has ultimately left Blizzard Entertainment because they werenât valued enough and thereâs many many more reasons why WoW is in decline. And while the boost spam in /2 is obnoxious and in LFG even a bannable offense, which is currently being ignored by Blizzard for whatever reason, itâs nowhere nearly as the cause of WoWs demise as youâre trying to put it.
You genuinely need to get at least a bit more real with yourself, because I do believe that you believe what youâre saying. But lying to oneself hurts nobody but oneself and you know youâre talking in a feverdream when you say that stuff such as dead servers exist due to boosting existing. And if you donât know that, then you need to wake up from said feverdream. Your family misses you mate.
Right, so no matter what i say here, you are just going to keep on twisting my words and chopping up my paragraphs into single linesâŠ
Are you really incapable of retaining a paragraph of words in your mind whilst you reply to it? Is that why you do this multi quoting? Or is it just the way you misdirect topics to make any readers believe that you are the most correct one? Doesnât wash.
I canât even be bothered to read your sloppy post right now, maybe later. Going to watch a movie, because⊠the server i play on is dead, dead, dead, dead, and dead (5 connected realms, high population according to the server list, but nobody online, dead). Thanks to boosting.
Go and eat an ego cookie spread with some of your own ego.
Iâll quote the lines I directly reply to to make it easier to follow the conversation. Yâknow I could just not quote anything at all and confuse you whether Iâm talking to you at all, or I could quote the entire thing and then make my point, one after another, with you being unsure at what part of your statement Iâve even adressed my point, but apparently proper formatting is also upsetting to you.
Similar how you comment on your code, yâknow?
Anyway, itâs weird how youâve just now noticed how each and every one of your statements has been already answered and thus have now decided to not go into a discussion about the points youâve tried to make, but have instead decided to insult not me, but my formatting?
Letâs be real, is this a new low for you or is it a point in life where youâve been before? Genuinely curious at this point, Ronjambö-Nagrand, person who studies game development for 14 years or so.
Damn boosting. It poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague onto our houses!
Whatâs next, is boosting gonna steal christmas?
I know I shouldnât make fun of this, but itâs a bit too funny to me, how you actually believe that boosting is literally the root of all evil and the sole reason why WoW has been in decline. Maybe study game development for 14 more years and think very hard about that statement again. Feel free to come back to me then.
This is how it went in those games what i played before wow. But Boosting is something what have been here whole time since wow start and its totally ok you boost friends, guildies or do it for gold. Today sadly it looks that all boosting happens just for gold and shady sites and their boosters who does it for real cash getaway and all those Raiders and mythic boosters who do it just for gold get all blame even they just play by rules
No man, itâs like trying to have a conversation with an âemotional attack dogâ who has to jump in and interrupt you after each sentence. Just the same as people think that WRITING IN CAPS is shouting. Quoting each sentence like that is just plane rude.
I will read it later if I can be bothered.
You already proved my point, you will do and say anything to try to use this topic to get blizzard to add a chat channel where you can spam boost adverts all day to try and con players out of their gold.
When you sit to play monopoly with your family, are you one of those control freaks who tells someone to go sit on the sofa whilst you handle their money and counters on the board? Do you charge them a fee each time you roll the dice for them?
We are meant to play the game for ourselves and not for others. Blizzard should not give you a channel for selling boosts. They should silence and or ban you for spamming.
