Which would be nice, because to be honest, the only thing that’s worse about WoW currently than Blizzard’s decision to not listen to feedback is the community itself. Well, it’s not just the WoW community, the online gaming community as a whole is a huge garbage.
But first of all it should be Blizzard and every other big gaming company with online games who start actively punishing people who are openly misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, or just a toxic idiot in general instead of allowing it for their sub/microtransaction money. Of course, if people would start to call it out it would be nice, but the chance of no one giving a crap about it in a toxic environment where it’s allowed is also 100%. At the end of the day, even those who are not these things themselves, people either don’t care enough to call it out, or don’t want to get kicked from a group/guild for calling it out.
These companies have all the power to reduce online toxicity by a huge amount, they just don’t put any effort into it, and if the allegations are true about Blizzard and every other company, it’s no wonder. So, first of all, the companies are the ones who should change first and then force a decent rule about behavior on the players. Because right now these people have no reason to change. They can be as toxic as they want to be and the chance of getting banned for it is minimal.
You could do the same with every group of people and then claim “it keeps happening” just like when racists use crime rates to judge whole races. Judging groups of people because of individuals is never right.
If that logic gets used it opens up it being ok to be hateful and pre judge groups of people, Which is kind of contradictory. Finger wave at the people who do it not those that look like them.
I’d need a very, very large finger, it happens pretty much daily.
I fronted three blokes in the pub the other night who were loudly discussing (and backslapping) the view that Markle was a wrong 'un, simply because none of them wanted to sleep with her (yeah…in their fetid dreams).
If you confront the 3 guys doing that, Fair enough. However my point is the guy who’s sitting in the corner is getting judged for the 3 idiots you’re talking about who’s done nothing wrong. What’s it got to do with him? That didn’t even hear the conversation?
You follow that logic with women or anyone else? That means if racists find numbers to back up their claims to pre judge people then that makes sense according to your logic? Surely?
He also might be scared of the 3 guys. Not everyone has the personality to do such things. I’m a 6ft 3 man. If I was like the people in the pub you talked about and someone that’s 5ft8 was scared to confront me that’s resonable.
You’re talking to someone who fought 3 guys at 16 for trying to (bad 4 letter word we can’t say on the forums) a female. She was drugged and I got her out of there. I know how bad people can be. However I know the majority of men wouldn’t do such things. I know this for a fact as the world would be in anarchy.
Just like I know women aren’t like the evil female that tortured me when I was 3 years old. My mother did nothing about it. She didn’t stand up. I’ve forgave my mum but I don’t judge women for what happened to me. I expect the same thing back from women when it comes to judging me because of idiots that’s the same sex as me.
I would also like to add that I’m also a victim of male sexual abuse. When I was a kid. I normally don’t talk about it. However in this circumstance it makes sense. I could go on about what other fellow males have done to me. I don’t blame people who look like them either.
Was over 15 years ago and I told 2 family members and they found it funny because I’m male. I don’t know how to put this without sounding bad due to forum rules. It wasn’t the worst kind of assault that’s possible, that sounds so bad writing that like it’s excusable, I’m not underplaying the other kinds but trying to say it wasn’t the full on assault that many others face. It was still serious though.
I never reported it to the police etc as it was a family member and I never wanted to hurt my other family members.
The worst thing about not reporting it though is feeling guilty if they are still doing it. Surely someone who does something in that nature didn’t just do it once. So in a way I feel like I’m just as bad. I will say I was only 16 at the time though. I’m like you in the pub scenario but I don’t get why I’m not in that case.
I fully understand why some of these women don’t come out for years after it. You don’t think people will believe you.
The victim is not the guilty person, especially when they do report what happened, but action is not taken and the victim is gaslighted.
The pervasive gender role-modelling in society has a toxic core, particularly for males and that needs to change.
What did you expect at a Game Compagny ? Obviously man are over represented, like in the game, 90% of the player base. Is it wrong ? Does it mean you should not hire new man and privilege “”“minority”“”" ? Nope.
If there’s any illegal thing have been made and reported, justice will protect them.
Acting “manly” isn’t wrong or illegal. However passing nudes around of females that where supposed to be private is or harrasing someone who clearly doesn’t want to be spoken to in a sexual manner is wrong.
Correct, but bro culture doesn’t need to be synonymous with a chauvinistic and misogynist culture neither, and all to frequently the label of “it’s just bros” is used to cover the former.
Very similar to “it’s just banter” being used to cover for what objectively is the exchange of racist/sexist views.
The fact people find it amusing or something to bond over doesn’t excuse it whatsoever.
And besides the “bro culture” itself isn’t being attacked here, it’s the specific elements of problematic behaviour that have arisen out of that culture. And to be honest, if such occurs regularly, then perhaps the culture IS a problem.
Less people would take umbrage with terms such as “bro culture” or “frat boy culture” if said cultures didn’t seem to (much of the time) define themselves principally by their (questionable) views on women and minorities. If it was just guys geeking out or being sports fans nobody would care. It’s the fact these “all boy clubs” often goes hand in hand with becoming a safe space to talk trash about “outsiders” to their group.
So when this kind of culture goes from being a private thing amongst friends to the manner of conduct within a work place, yeah, pretty easy to see why that would make a lot of people feel uncomfortable at the very least.
This seems to be an ubiquitous issue with American corporations - Riot was the same, but Amazon, Tesla, Facebook - all those seem to not care about their employees. They care about the function the employee performs, not the person. In many ways that is analogous to people being robots. In Europe, this problem exists too but it is much less widespread. This results in Europe being less ahead of the curve on technological innovation, but its people being happier.
But… momentary profit is what the entire neoliberal structure is all about. Reagan deregulated things with the full intention of making rich men richer. It would be nice if things changed but this will happen through overall cultural change. Not individual companies being better - if they try, they will fail at the free market, because the free market idolizes psychopaths - Musk, Steve Jobs, Zuckerberg, Bezos - all kinda the same. Zero compassion for people, all focused on productivity and innovation as a means to profit. And in all 4 cases, success is entirely built on exploitation and abuse. And I don’t even mean it in the abstract socialist sense, I mean it in the very literal meaning of these words.