Except I didn’t, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.
The systemic discrimination of women by men is a fact supported by studies and statistics, for those who don’t have enough spirit of observation and empathy. The same is true for the discrimination against “non-whites”, against gay people, trans people, and other minorities.
Acknowledging this and advocating change for the better doesn’t mean anyone who isn’t part of a minority personally and actively participates in that culture of oppression.
Every single time someone speaks against misogyny the “not all men” crowd pops up acting all hurt and insulted and starts talking about reverse discrimination. That either means being completely clueless, or actively and knowingly trying to protect a position of privilege.
Exactly, and in the modern neoliberal market it is far more financially viable for such a corpo to replace unhappy workers (or outsource work to those too desperate to walk away despite conditions) than it is for them to restructure and slow down their overall productivity for the betterment of their employees. Jobs are valuable and they know this, and it’s quite easy for them to tempt recruits with the promise of a high paying (ish) job in a meganame corpo and burn them out for a few years then replace them, then it is for them to try the traditional model of “employing for life”
Staff turnover in corpos in the modern era is huge compared to so much as only say 25 years ago. Heck, it’s even entrained in education in schools atm that one looks to aim for developing skills for “careers” rather than “a career” and the idea one lands a job they’ll stay in forever is not pushed anymore. It’s expected you’ll change jobs and companies several times over your adult life.
This plays exactly into this neoliberal approach of production, because it allows them to take in newbies, work them hard until they grow disillusioned and then replace them with people “looking for something fresh” and they’ll get another few years out of them and repeat and this costs them very little to do.
So yes, focus on “profits of the moment” is key here. When corpos Instill confidence in their shareholders they don’t do it by showing them how they keep employees for 20 years etc. They do it by showing how productive their department is over time irrespective of the turnover involved. If the company with high turnover still manages to generate profits each year (increasing) compared to the company that generates a more modest sum but has a solid core of employees that hasn’t really changed and are happy, you can bet the investors view the former with more confidence.
All it takes is a few years and a restructure or investment to sort out a company where the turnover situation bubbles over. But to take a company that has “been the same” for say 20 years, and made a similar profit each year, it would take absolutely ages (and a lot of money) to change that company into a profit machine and that’s not to mention that due to the embedded employees, there will probably be resistance to attempts to change or restructure things too which would make it even harder.
the question still is, should you blame a hole company for bad apples, or the individuals who has done it, thing is Blizzard have lots of employees, and if some are harrasing others, it doesnt meen all are doing it.
what people now are doing is screaming blizzard is a bad place to work, are you sure this is happening in all of their workplaces or is it just in california, how many have done it, a few individuals or like 2000 men acting like that, I doubt that.
personaly I blame to those invovled instead of the hole company who got lots of innocent people who now due to theese people get a bad rep also, thanks to the internet.
Just because you choose to click away and ignore it, doesnt make it go away. If we ignore so called bad apples in our gaming and social media communities their influence will spread.
Remember that games and media (YT, FB, IG etc) are very popular with modern day kids and teenagers. They tend to copy behaviours of their peers to fit in. Now if they are in group with “apples”, who all act cool and fun by mocking others and are passing around some simplistic populistic ideas they might seem as fun bunch to stick around. In time as those kids grow they might adapt those copied behaviours and ideas for their own persona thus not only new generation of bad apples will be born but they will carry it outside of gaming/media world into the real one.
Another issue with ignoring “apples” among us is that ppl surround themselves with like minded individuals. So apple by apple they will aggregate into sub communities with gaming communities. And just as stars are born atom at a time so will those bad apple tumors grow apple by apple. The bigger they get the louder they’ll be. Given time and inaction they will grow big enough to smother and outgrow other communities. Or get big enough to turn into fetid spawnning pool that will allow them to validate each other ideas and view points in ever radical way. And if any non-assertive, young, naive or impressionable individual will be unlucky to enter such swamp they will remake him or her into one of them.
So take away from this thread should be to root out any bad apples by not ignoring or looking away whenever they crawl out of their swamps.
It’s hardly ridiculous. OP is stating that some parts of gamer culture and bro culture have individuals with transphobic, homophobic, sexist and racist views, and that if we’re going to get outraged at blizzard, we need to make sure our own house is in order too and keep these individuals from normalising these views within that culture, just like blizzard appear to have been doing.
And that includes seeing these topics as the subject of “banter”. If you’re unable to banter without using subjects that denigrate other individuals in a way that would you fired if done in your workplace, then I’d question the veracity of that banter.
You contest their claim? cough cough Pelagos, human customisation and Thiernax threads cough.
We arent a corpo and have no juniors, whos promotion, career and salary depends on our good will. We are gamers here, most are wow funs.
So please do not deflect these accusations on us just cause.
It turned out we are much better individuals than corpoRats who accused us of what their employees did.
Telling people to look in the mirror without knowing them is doing exactly that. I stand by my post. I didn’t do what you said. I have also detailed very specific personal reasons why I didn’t like your post and it seems people who disagreed with me seen my point once I said it.
You can talk about the issues and how to solve it without making statements to people like “time to look in the mirror” I don’t have to look in the mirror because I haven’t done anything and I’ve defended women in similar situations. I don’t normally announce this stuff as I don’t want a medal or a pat in the back for it.
My post never once took away from women issues at all. If you read them you would see it was the opposit.
Your post is very preachy with no solutions that work. You think people who act that way are going to change reading it? The clear solution is work places and governments to set up better systems to report these things.
There is also like 20 other threads open about the subject. I don’t know why you thought your point was any different to many others?
Why do you keep acting like I accused you in particular? I always talked about “we” and “us” and “let’s”, precisely to avoid putting myself on some pedestal. I wrote in plain English we’re a great community and I think most of us are decent people. I specified all this precisely to avoid misunderstandings, why are you getting so defensive?
You think you never do anything bad? Good! I’m not doubting you or accusing you.
Can we still make a collective effort to improve our community? Is it wrong to push for it?
Why is it me that’s deserving of objections, when all I’m doing is advocating inclusion and fairness, while there are people in this very thread who literally went for the homophobic slurs?
Because I’ve barely seen anyone shift the problem to the community, apart from Hazel in her video, and I think it’s worth it to also look at the very same toxicity that’s widely spread in our community.
I’m getting defensive because I don’t like the method you’re using. You can see why from my reasons to Vulpie above. If we use that type of reasoning and lanuage towards groups of people then there is no argument to be had when racists or other hateful people do it. Rephrase what you said but say it about another group of people in the way you did and you will see my point.
I use the same logic you have used to counter argue racists. You can achieve your goal without doing that. I also suspect you knew your post comes across that way when you write stuff like
Stop pretending my post is discriminating against someone, because it is not.
Saying “men should stop systematically harassing women” is not sexist towards men ffs.
I don’t even know why I’m trying to educate you, read a damn book.
If me stating clearly what my intentions are isn’t enough to convince you of what my intentions are, I give up.
I didn’t take it as a lecture and I fall squarely within the demographic hat perpetuates much of the problem.
I think measures like this lose gravity because people become so obsessed with making sure “it’s not about me” the issue rarely actually gets discussed.
I can’t imagine how many of my college big meetings would go with these people. Every time the principal says “we need to…” you’d have people piping up “oi! What you accusing me of?!” And the whole thing would take bloody hours on end.
Beyond a point we need to learn to understand that when people is terms like “we” or “us” they don’t necessarily mean reference to a specific group of individuals but more of an ethereal concept. Notwithstanding the point is the message should be the focus not incessant carousel arguments about the language used. All it does is bog down dialogue and stagnate things and flip the focus from the original targets to other people. To me, it’s self absorbed.
I appreciate if that comes across harshly but it’s how I see it. Imagine if you came to me and disclosed an issue you experienced with X type of people and all I did was pick at how I feel attacked by your language and how I don’t appreciate you “inferring my guilt”? I don’t think you’d much appreciate it or see it as an effective way to conduct the conversation no? You come to me for support and all I do is turn it into a focus of maintaining my virtue, setting the impression that that is more or equally important to whatever your plight is? No thanks.
I don’t care. If someone comes to me for help and in doing so there’s stuff that infers that “my group” is being labelled, I’m going to focus on the facts of a) them needing help and b) them disclosing that to me which through common sense should tell me they think I can provide a solution rather than being a problem element.
People like to one-up each other, in terms of being outrage, to see who can get the most “likes” and appear the most virtuous on Social Media, so yeah, this was expected.
Looks at the tag on my T-shirt
It says Made in China, I don’t care enough about those kids in China working in sweatshops for me to stop buying T-shirts that were made there and neither do YOU.
Sounds mean, yeah I know, but it is the harsh reality.
In a Capitalistic Society, misogyny and other forms of discrimination are not as prevalent as they are perceived.
When a male employee gets promoted over a female employee, she will undoubtedly feel discriminated against if the majority of her co-workers are male, it doesn’t matter that he was more suited for the position, all that matters (to Social Media) is how she feels.