People have different values and things that they like, it’s just life we all are different.
Some people like to help other like you other people like to look at themselves like me.
But anways better we not talk cause we had some some who ended bad.
Have a goody night.
The point is that all 3 were time-limited exclusive rewards. If you can find reasons to bring one back then we can find reasons to bring all 3 back. And also, Challenge Mode was not as hard as you made it sound. I had a terrible PC and I was playing with 350ms on US servers and I still got silver for all the dungeons and a few gold during MoP. Had I started playing sooner during MoP, I would’ve probably completed it.
And also, nothing can be 100% skill-based, especially in WoW.
But this is impossible with how things work. I personally don’t like removing content aswell, and I would be really happy to see if they never removed anything. I’m with you on this. But once it’s removed, it’s not fair to be brought back for alot of reasons mentioned above. Understand?
Well ok, I made a ‘harsh’ comparison, but if you look it from abit different angle, it’s not that different. So saying IT’S A GAMEEE, IT’S A GAMEEE is not a valid excuce. If it’s just a game, can I have your account and gold? People (not me) worked hours, days and even months towards some items (not me), give me a reason why they don’t deserve to be the hoarders of the most exclusive items in the game?
So? Rare and expensive things create value and exclusivity. In a game, real life and anywhere on this planet.
Well act butthurt all you like. The fact is that you can’t handle a different opinion and are whining constantnly throughout this post. Not just me, even others caught you out. You just want stuff handed to you for free, because of ‘Its a game, I pay 60 USD for it, I pay 15 USD / month for it’.
If you actually worked towards certain items that the OP mentioned, you would not want them to be accessible to anyone aswell. Period.
I agree with this to a certain extend, no doubt. I’m not saying it was so difficult overall, but more like it was difficult if you compare it with the Mage Tower. As explained during comments, to get the rewards for CMs, you needed to complete all the dungeons in the expansion on bronze/silver/gold. It also required group, meaning you relied on 4 other people to complete them. I failed it quite alot of times, sometimes even in the last minutes of the dungeons, meaning roughly 30 minutes went to drain many times.
Mage Tower on the other hand, is a solo encounter, that can be done whenever you like (Well, whenever the Mage Tower was actually up lol). It was a 7 minute solo encounter, and if you just wiped, who cares. You didn’t have to search for a new group, you just queued and in 30 sec, you were doing a new attempt.
So yeah, It’s not that it’s so difficult on it’s own, but comparing CMs to Mage Tower is just not fair in my eyes atleast.
I think it IS fair (for the reasons mentioned above). Understand?
Yeah, it REALLY is. Very different.
Yes, it is. You saying it isn’t means nothing.
Don’t be stupid.
You keep making up these ridiculous totally over the top examples. Stop it.
I AM one of those people. And I still want people to be able to enjoy all the stuff I have that they can no longer get. Because I want people to be able to enjoy this game to the fullest.
And the egos of a few selfish people are just not equivalent to that.
I’m not butthurt. You broke the TOS. You deserve to be reported and banned. Simple as that.
I’m not whining. I’m making MY points, which are far better than yours I might add.
And I CAN handle you having a different opinion; you can’t handle me calling you out for WHY you have that different opinion is what’s obviously a problem to you; with the uncalled for namecalling and such.
Yes, I would. Because I’m not like you. I’m not selfish. I’m not petty. I’m not greedy.
Don’t assume everyone has the same bad qualities that you possess. Period.
Sorry for the somewhat late reply, I was silenced 
Anyway, you do make a good point that we all support the game and that should mean something too.I’ve always thought that time spent should count as well.
I’d also be completely fine with recolours though or modifications like the Order Hall sets (even though looked kinda bad as a result but we’ll ignore those).
if you didn’t play during actual content and obtained these rewards you do not deserve them and it should remain that way. had a look at your armory slot and your earliest achievement is from 2016. you did not even play back when mop challenge modes were a thing, why on earth would you even begin to think that you deserve them.
Doesn’t have to be 
Err, no it’s not… It’s pretty easy to put it back actually.
No they weren’t. Not on my server at least, where several groups participated for the best score to get the title. Not the achievement title, but the server-quickest titles.
Was meant as a one-time event mount.
Was never meant to go obtainable in the first place.
Idk what their intent was with this. God knows why they’d make Challenge Modes “Seasonal”.
Anyhow what do these have to do with timewalking…?
Yes I do understand. But the reality is something different unfortunately. I went through your account. You don’t have any flashy mounts, you don’t have Keystone master achievments, you don’t have CMs done. What gives you the right to ‘beg’ for these items, while you haven’t even obtained them? This is what’s bothering me in your writing. You think you are entitled to something, you don’t even have. I would talk to you differently if you would actually have those items, but you don’t. The fact is as said may times, you just want stuff handed to you for free.
No it’s not. It all comes down to effort in my book. Whether it’s real life, or a video game. Spending alot of time / resources on something, means you actually earned something. It’s not fair that someone in real life, who barely made it through middle school, is living the same life as someone who was really good in uni. Ofcurse there is an exception to every rule, but the majority works like that.
As explained above. You are not and can’t be. You don’t have half of the items OP mentioned. Meaning you don’t have the right to demand them the ‘free way’.
Well it seems you are. In this thread, you’re just saying same things over and over. You are giving support to a few like minded people here (that actually don’t have half the rewards aswell), and to others that actually have them and don’t want them returned with a cheap way, you’re calling us fragile egos, elitists, narrowminded etc.
What gives you the right to assume your points are better than mine? Just proves that you’re an egoist that only sees himself.
As explained manytimes. First get some exclusive items, then talk. Not the other way around. When you will actually spend countless hours / days working towards something, come back. Otherwise don’t ask for things handed on the plate for you. It’s that easy. I’m not selfish, petty, narrowminded and I don’t even know what else you called me. For the last time, in my book, it all comes down to effort. When you put in the time, you should get all the rewards the game offers to you. If not, zip it and work on yourself, to actually become better in everything. It’s that simple.
No, the reality is the reality. Your opinion is different. Which is fine.
But don’t mistake that for reality.
Thanks for your opinion. I’ve already told you that it doesn’t mean anything to me though.
I’m not begging. At all.
Stop being so agressive and hyperbole. Just chill.
I want something and you want something different. Period. End of discussion.
Neither of us is right or wrong with their opinion on the matter.
Your mistake then for interpreting my posts wrong. Because that’s not what’s happening.
Again; not a fact. At all. Just your biased, uncalled for opinion of me.
Who do you think you are? Don’t assume things about me that you know nothing of.
You are obviously bad at making sound conclusions based on someone’s posts. Because none of it is actually close to reality.
You’re narrowminded. That’s all I have to say on this matter.
That’s not the point.
I have things that can no longer be obtained (yes, different things), but I’m fine with people getting a new opportunity to obtain them. I’m not petty like that.
Look, I’m going to say this in a crude way so maybe you’ll finally ‘get it’:
GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL THAT I AM NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING FOR FREE. I AM ASKING FOR A NEW OPPORTUNITY TO EARN THEM.
Get it? If not; don’t bother replying because I’m sick and tired of you saying things about me that just aren’t true.
Yeah, it’s that issue again of you not being very good at interpreting. 
Because you are doing exactly that. So I have to keep repeating myself over and over until you finally, hopefully, get it.
Which is true. There is no reason beyond being petty, greedy, elitist etc for wanting something in a game all to your own. There really isn’t.
Well, facts. In a normal person’s view ‘the betterment of the overal population’ is always more important than ‘the further enrichment of the greedy wealthy’.
I have those. Your opinion that I don’t have ‘worthy stuff’ is irrelevant. I have things that can no longer be obtained; that is a cold hard fact.
You have no clue. No. Frickin’. Clue.
You come back when you get a clue. K?
And for the very last time:
I’M ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN THAT TIME.
BUT I CAN’T BECAUSE IT’S BEEN REMOVED.
^ READ THAT AND DON’T REPLY UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS.
Man, you’re one tiresome person.
Rotate old classic - wrath of the lich king and old favorites as new Mythic level 1-15 and up new dungeons? \o/ Loot and vault reward all included, Mechanics and affixes and all. For the Nostalgia’s sake.
Why are you not OK with CM for Pandaria and Draenor but OK with the CM for Legion? MoP and Draenor were suffering from tuning etc as well even if ilvl didnt affect them. Just like Legion was affected by tuning over the course (and ilvl). Also what about those that did it when Mage Tower got released? You know, the peeps that did it while being severely undergeared since it was tuned for ToS gear.
Same can be said to mage tower to some extent. CM dungeons received their own kind of nerfs.
No, the reality is the reality as said. It’s not my opinion. You are forgetting that we are talking under a thread, in which the OP expressed his opinion, as how some of the most elusive rewards in the game, should return with Timewalking, which is a joke of a content. I thought this was pretty clear. How would it be ok, that some of us spent large periods of time to do something, and then see everyone with the same items, getting it for maybe 1/10 effort?
Not an opinion. It’s a fact. Your account is mid average at it’s best, even lower than that depending on your achievments, mounts and other collectables. Which is fine ofcourse, don’t take it the wrong way. Nothing wrong with that.
Well I take that back, you are right. You are asking for those items to return back via a different way. But all i’m trying to say, you can’t ask for those if you don’t actually have them, because you have no idea how much effort etc. it took to get them. That’s literally all i’m saying to you over and over. I wouldn’t stretch over your opinions if you had the CM achievments and so on. But you don’t, meaning you actually can’t say stuff like that.
Well but from your writing, all you tried to prove in the beginning that you could buy a boost for half of these things, and now we have come to the conclusion that you don’t even have them, and you are aggresively trying to prove it to me, that your opinion is superior to mine, with calling me narrowminded, elitist and so on.
Why? I can’t think of any reason why I would be narrowminded for that. I just know my self worth, and what I have acomplished in life. If that’s narrowminded for you, let’s just leave it here I suppose.
I didn’t check every single part of your Armory, because frankly, I don’t even care about you. I just checked the items the OP is mentioning, and you don’t have any. So in the end, you can’t be fine with people getting those items that we are talking about, because YOU DON’T HAVE THEM. Understand? If that’s your thinking for other half of unobtainables, I’m ok with that. I don’t give a crap about certain things aswell, but the stuff OP is mentioning, I do care. As said many times, exclusivity creates value.
Yes I know you are. But you don’t get it. We are here, because the OP said that we should get these items back via timewalking. Timewalking is esentially free content noone gives 2 cents about. It’s designed to purely show how some old dungeons work. It’s incredibly easy and doesn’t match the difficulty of actually obtaining these items. That’s what I’m trying to point out. You obviously can’t know this, since you don’t have these items. Period. I on the other hand do, and that’s what I’m trying to point out and you keep calling me narrowminded etc.
Or you sticking and thinking only your opinion matters.
The only one that has to get it, is you.
For the 10000th time. You have no right to say that, because you didn’t spend time, effort and resources on the things. You can’t say that. Imagine you paying 4k USD on a Swift Spectral Tiger card, and 5 months later, they would make it sell for 10 USD. Wouldn’t you be mad? I’m having a hard time believing you’re so ‘openminded’.
Again with your egoistical way of thinking.
You don’t so don’t flatter yourself.
Then enlighten me. All you do is prove that I have a fragile ego. Come here then with pure examples, of what you did in WOW, that you actually earned the right way.
But I’m with you on this. I said countless times that I don’t like them removing content. Are you iliterate? But this post is about bringing some of the most flashy items back via a cheap ingame feature noone cares about.
Read some of my comments posted above, where you have it explained. I don’t have the time to write it again.
Already did that and the reason why i included that CMs were affected by class tuning and trinkets.
Not really sure what you mean and what more do you want to know if you read all the comments? I literally mentioned the OP SOO & HFC trinkets and class design countless times.
Well, that’s not what I am suggesting. We are discussing this topic after all and people have different views on it. And even though I agree with the OP about it being a good thing if removed content was brought back, I disagree with the finer details on the matter.
First of all; I don’t understand why anyone would care.
We can get mythic transmogs playing solo after enough time has passed. Same thing.
If a person is bothered by such a thing they are petty, egocentric or have selfesteem problems, most likely. Because a normal, well-adjusted human being would not be.
Again; I don’t care what you think of my account. What I said was a fact; I have things that can no longer be obtained. I never claimed anything more than that, but you find it necessary to assign a ‘worth’ to that stuff. Well, I don’t.
And that’s where we disagree.
I think I DO have that right. And I actually DO have an idea of how much effort it took or will take or even should take. You are again assuming something about me, which AGAIN turns out to be wrong.
Yeah I can. And you are in no position to decide who can and can’t say things like that.
This is a forum where opinions will be shared. You don’t decide if someone’s opinion doesn’t matter (in general - of course you CAN decide you put no worth in someone’s opinion, but that’s a seperate matter and should be addressed as such - like I did in previous posts; I clearly stated that I don’t care about your opinion on some matters, I never said your opinion ‘in general’ doesn’t matter, because that’s not for me to decide).
You made a statement which was skewed. I corrected that by pointing that out. If things can be bought with boosts, there’s no skill involved from the boosted player. None. That was literally all I meant with that reply.
Again; you can’t compare a game with real life. That’s just unrealistic.
If you see everything as ‘working the same’, then yes; that is narrowminded.
You. Don’t. Get. To. Decide. That.
I can be fine with whatever I want. Not your place to say otherwise.
And here we disagree again. Because I couldn’t care less about ‘worth’. I like or dislike the aesthetic of something in game and that’s literally all that matters to me; I don’t care if it’s rare or exclusive or if everyone and their mother has it; I only care about if I like the item in question.
We’re just of totally different mindsets on this and so we will never agree.
I am not the OP. I am not asking the same thing.
So stop assuming I am.
I CAN know. Stop assuming things about me fgs.
You don’t need to be a pro football player to understand the game.
You don’t need to be a university professor on physics to understand many of its theories and laws.
You don’t need to be a lawyer to understand many laws.
People can KNOW things without having done things themselves. It’s about understanding matter and absorbing it; it’s how people study and learn many things.
And that, my friend, is why you are narrowminded. Because you seem to think that people can’t know stuff if they don’t abide by your particular set of rules.
Riiiiight, because thinking of ‘almost everyone’ instead of ‘the elite’ is egotistical. Ahuh. Sure thing buddy. 
Not for you to decide.
Oh my… ‘The right way’. Now I am curious… What ‘oh mighty ruler of all that is WoW’ is ‘the right way’ to earn things?! Do tell…
You kept saying I wanted ‘stuff for free’, so don’t turn this around buddy.
Well, that’s not what I am suggesting. So I guess we’re done discussing this then; because your narrowmindedness doesn’t allow for the idea that maybe, just maybe, people posting in a thread can have variations of opinions that are in the OP. But apparently with you it’s all very black and white; you either agree 100% or not at all.
And you wonder why I said you were narrowminded. Sheesh.
Well good to know, can’t believe that we actually agree on something after what, 5k words?
And then again we don’t. People care! Don’t forget something about mythic raids. Sure you can come back and roflstomp them for sets a few patches / next expansion (this is also one of my points above, in which I would be fine that the MT comes back, but no the CMs), but the main goal of mythic raiding is GEAR. The majority of raiders that push Mythic, are there for the gear. I personally couldn’t care more if someone has 10 ilvl more than me, but if people like that, that’s their choice.
And no, that’s not how things work in real life. This is an issue with modern wow, and not just for the things we are discussing. Take the examples of azerite, artifact power, anima and so on. In the beginnings of the expansions, everything takes ages to obtain. After a few months, they make it 100% more accessible (atleast 1-2 times easier to obtain), meaning some people just rather wait a few months rather than burning out. And I can assure you alot of people are mad for this. But you know, people that actually spend time / effort for these items. Not someone like you.
I went through your mounts and the achievments we are talking about. And I didn’t find anything relevant there that actually matters that much.
No. You clearly don’t understand the word assuming. Because the only thing you are doing, are ASSUMING how much effort / work something took. But in the end, you DIDN’T DO IT, meaning YOU CAN’T KNOW / TELL for sure. You can assume, that’s one thing, but YOU CAN’T KNOW. That’s what I’ve been literally saying over and over and you just can’t let go. Assume all you want, I’m ok with that. But you can’t KNOW.
Obviously you can’t. But as said many times, it’s not that far off. People spend time, money and put effort even in the game. Meaning it’s not that far off.
Yes.I.Do. Assume all you want, but you have no right to talk about the stuff you actually haven’t done. If you do that, you’re just a deluded and entitled human being.
Yep, will just ignore that answer since we’re both on different sides of the river.
No, YOU CAN’T!!! You can assume. Let me showcase how reality works. Go to Google (I won’t post pictures / create links) and type ‘Iceberg success’. Then come back. Sure you may know some laws, how football works, but in the end, you can’t know how much of a dedication people put inside something, when you don’t have it. That’s all I’ve been trying to prove to you. You can assume / have as many opinions as you like, but the reality is that you can’t tell for sure. I on the other hand can, because I did the content when it was available.
Not on the things we are talking about. But now i’m actually interested on some content you did. What are the unobtainables you possess? Which content did you do, did you enjoy etc.? Let’s hear it.
What do you have in your tab, that’s actually quite worth? Get back with some items / mogs etc. I really wanna know why are you so confident and entitled.
I’m done. You keep repeating the same nonsense. Judging me based on your own narrowminded point of view. I’m done man. Can’t have a discussion with someone who says I can’t talk about stuff because of nonsensical reasons. It’s insane. You are deluded beyond words.
Goodbye.
The sweet irony is that you’re doing the same things aswell. I refused to let go to such an arogant human being like yourself, because you’re in love with your opinion just as much as I am with mine.
Thank you for nothing. Goodbye.
Learn english before starting insults. You make yourself look even more of a fool than you already did. And don’t come at me with ‘it’s not my native language blabla’ because it’s not mine either. But I put the work in. I learned. I studied. So you can’t post anymore because you didn’t learn proper english.
See what I did there?
That’s because mine is based on being social, sharing and everyone being treated equal, whilst yours is based on being greedy, egocentric and elitist. Of course my opinion is better; any well-adjusted human being would admit as much.
You can’t post anymore because you don’t KNOW how to be a decent human being.
See what I did there?
Yeah, you just proved you’re an arRogant human being. 
Go back to your dreams deluded boy. You obviously can’t handle reality. Now for real, this is the last few words that I’m gonna waste on you since you just can’t let go.
BTW : Can’t wait to see your openminded mentality on some future threads, where you will be socially, equally and friendly demanding items you can’t get via the old fashion way. Get good kid, in real life and in WOW. Peace, I’m out.