This is has probably been suggested before, but I remember it was Cataclysm that introduced the idea of time-travel and twisting time so much into the lore via the bronze dragonflight.
This was when the lore became muddied up and starter quests changed, places changed and we were sent out go and right some wrongs.
However, since the tech exists, could we have a Chromie in the Caverns of Time who performs a mass alteration to the lands of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms and set them to the iterations of maybe the last patch of Wotlk?
This includes reverting all the starting areas, blocking off entry to Gilneas, Tol Barad and Vash'jir through flying. I mean, they just won't be there really and the only way to get there would be to go and see Chromie in the Caverns of Time again.
I know this leads to many more questions such as flying. Maybe flying shouldn't be allowed either? I wouldn't mind either way really. I just thought that since Classic is only around the corner you could simply phase the old world back again like we are able to in other places such as Silithus, Lordaeron, Darkshore and some other places I may have left out.
What do you think?
Edit: I just want to add that this has nothing to do with my view on Cataclysm. I actually enjoyed the xpac and was genuinely fascinated with all the world changes. I spent weeks exploring to find everything that had changed. It's not my intention to insult or to try and undo all the hard work that was put in by these amazing developers. I just think it's a nice option is all and I'd be interested to see how many players would be phased into the old world compared to the new too.
I remember asking about this in Cataclysm but they never had the technology apparently. Seems like a good idea.
There are a number of places that such a time relapse would be great. Veil of Eternal Blossoms is one.
I long for this since the I realized the changes made in Cataclysm (and I loved Cataclysm actually) were to be never redone. It made me sad I couldn't complete the Ahn Qiraj opening questline before the launch, I was quite far with my pally... :( and it made me sad that there was so much storylines which I'd never be able to experience because I was somewhat too stupid to realize the permanent change. Didn't read patchnotes back then besides what was relevant for my class :)
Even thought about trying out a classic server just to make those quests I missed. Never did it though, and it will be my whole reason to try out the classic WoW when released.
Still I'd love it to have the chance on live servers... the old scarlet monastery plus the transmog there (Robes of Doan, anyone?), the old Sunken Temple, the old Tirin Questline in the Plaguelands, old classquests... Brb, gotta spend some time dreaming now.
Even thought about trying out a classic server just to make those quests I missed. Never did it though, and it will be my whole reason to try out the classic WoW when released.
Still I'd love it to have the chance on live servers... the old scarlet monastery plus the transmog there (Robes of Doan, anyone?), the old Sunken Temple, the old Tirin Questline in the Plaguelands, old classquests... Brb, gotta spend some time dreaming now.
Yes! Please! I'd love this.
With Classic release they could also add the original Azeroth into BfA servers, after all Classic will work using modern infraestructures, that means if the zones works in Classic it should work in BfA too, just like TBC and WOTLK zones still work.
I think the better approach to have those zones is to do the same as Draenor, that means instead of having a phase in every zone with Pre-Cataclysm zones they should just have two versions of Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms and when the player travel throught time between both the game will internally just teleport the map from one map to the other.
Is the same as Outland and Draenor, in lore both are the same continent in two different eras yet for the game both are two different continents, Draenor is not Outland in a diferent phase. They could do the same and have two different maps of Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms
I think the better approach to have those zones is to do the same as Draenor, that means instead of having a phase in every zone with Pre-Cataclysm zones they should just have two versions of Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms and when the player travel throught time between both the game will internally just teleport the map from one map to the other.
Is the same as Outland and Draenor, in lore both are the same continent in two different eras yet for the game both are two different continents, Draenor is not Outland in a diferent phase. They could do the same and have two different maps of Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms
You're blowing my mind with that idea Jadzia. What what you're saying is that we have the classic wow zones when we make a fresh character and when we hit level 80 we go through the stages of cataclysm so the world changes to the broken one we have now?
You know they could do so much with this because say we're at level 79 all the cat pre-patch stuff could spawn and give us the last levels worth of xp, then the cata cinematic starts and we die in the fire, the respawn and see the world s destroyed. Death wing is flying in the sky and we we reach level 85 the quest spawns in our log to tell us to goto Pandaria.
I mean that would make for a pretty fluid and logical leveling experience.
It was cool back in cata to know that new players were joining the game after all the wreckage and they got the new starter zones and quests but I think now it may be better to let them go through all the transitions the vanilla players did when they start for the first time now.
Also just to add flavor, I think if you start a new goblin or worgen then you're already phased into the cata+ time zone. Same for blood elves and draenai, they are spawned in a time when the dark portal is already open.
You know they could do so much with this because say we're at level 79 all the cat pre-patch stuff could spawn and give us the last levels worth of xp, then the cata cinematic starts and we die in the fire, the respawn and see the world s destroyed. Death wing is flying in the sky and we we reach level 85 the quest spawns in our log to tell us to goto Pandaria.
I mean that would make for a pretty fluid and logical leveling experience.
It was cool back in cata to know that new players were joining the game after all the wreckage and they got the new starter zones and quests but I think now it may be better to let them go through all the transitions the vanilla players did when they start for the first time now.
Also just to add flavor, I think if you start a new goblin or worgen then you're already phased into the cata+ time zone. Same for blood elves and draenai, they are spawned in a time when the dark portal is already open.
Abacabb, I think your idea is great, I would absolutely love it. It would have to be a choice for the player, though, because it would be sad if some of the stories from the cata-revamp were gone. I mean, they ARE good, I just at times miss the old quests (and the t-mog which is unobtainable now and stuff)
But yes, it would for sure help the travel-back-and-forth-in-time-issue that at the moment each player, be it new or old, experiences.
I mean, if I'm not leveling a bloodelf oder draenei, I'm starting in Cata. Then I go back to BC and/or Northrend, just to be miracolously portet forward in time again to Cata. It's totally messed up.
With your idea, there would be away to get the original time-line from vanilla to tbc to northrend to cata and so forth. And for those who don't want it / don't care, heck, give them a checkbox or an bronzedragon npc which says "stay with status quo" and be happy with it.
I'd probably kiss the feet of each and every Blizz employee if they implented this (and payed me the visit to the US or care to come to germany for that :P)
But yes, it would for sure help the travel-back-and-forth-in-time-issue that at the moment each player, be it new or old, experiences.
I mean, if I'm not leveling a bloodelf oder draenei, I'm starting in Cata. Then I go back to BC and/or Northrend, just to be miracolously portet forward in time again to Cata. It's totally messed up.
With your idea, there would be away to get the original time-line from vanilla to tbc to northrend to cata and so forth. And for those who don't want it / don't care, heck, give them a checkbox or an bronzedragon npc which says "stay with status quo" and be happy with it.
I'd probably kiss the feet of each and every Blizz employee if they implented this (and payed me the visit to the US or care to come to germany for that :P)
The lore aproach could be to have one portal between both times in the Cavern of Times. You start the game and choose to start in the initial zone of Pre-Cataclysm or Post-Cataclysm, but being able to change everytime. Even if playing post-Cataclysm races they should be allowed to travel to the past in CoT and quest in those zonesthe only exception is that they should not be able to start directly in the past, it wont be any different that a Blood Elf from TBC in any Vanilla zone.
This also allow to fix TBC and WOTLK, it is obvious that those zones happens prior to Cataclysm, we are traveling back in time when we change from Cataclysm to Northrend/Outland, it could be great to officialize that fact, for example making the first TBC/WOTLK quest to tell the player to go to CoT, travel to the past Azeroth, and from there go to Northrend/Outland. After that there could still be portals, boats and zepellins between current cities and those zones, but just make the first quest to make the player go back in time, from Cata to TBC/WOTLK
This also allow to fix TBC and WOTLK, it is obvious that those zones happens prior to Cataclysm, we are traveling back in time when we change from Cataclysm to Northrend/Outland, it could be great to officialize that fact, for example making the first TBC/WOTLK quest to tell the player to go to CoT, travel to the past Azeroth, and from there go to Northrend/Outland. After that there could still be portals, boats and zepellins between current cities and those zones, but just make the first quest to make the player go back in time, from Cata to TBC/WOTLK
30/10/2018 15:05Posted by AbacabbHowever, since the tech exists, could we have a Chromie in the Caverns of Time who performs a mass alteration to the lands of Kalimdor and the Eastern Kingdoms and set them to the iterations of maybe the last patch of Wotlk?
This includes reverting all the starting areas, blocking off entry to Gilneas, Tol Barad and Vash'jir through flying. I mean, they just won't be there really and the only way to get there would be to go and see Chromie in the Caverns of Time again.
aka expansion servers.
30/10/2018 15:26Posted by KhyrnekenThere are a number of places that such a time relapse would be great. Veil of Eternal Blossoms is one.
They had the technology back then but made a deliberate decision to ruin it for everyone.
^ well said brother/ sister. I think I'd just stick with a traditional hand-shake though ;) hahah
aka expansion servers.
This is a better idea instead of wasting money on retail on old content bring in better new content.
Lots of great ideas in this thread. :) I love when people come up with all sorts of creative ideas, brainstorming that might or might not be realistic but please don't put the lid on... :)
I h8 what they did in Cataclysm, i loved the fact i knew the lands like the back of my hand, it ruined it for me, they should have just added new leveling zones every expansion not redo the old content.
31/10/2018 01:36Posted by Sulaaaka expansion servers.
This is a better idea instead of wasting money on retail on old content bring in better new content.
They dont need to waste much money for bringing back the old content, the work that they have already done for Classic can be reused for BfA. Classic internally works in the same server and client infraestructures, that means every original zone that will work in Classic servers should work in BfA servers too, just like any TBC or WOTLK zones still work in BfA servers without requeiring to expend resources in them in any patch nor expansion.
They dont need to do all the work to restore the original zones for the simple reason that work has already been done.
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I would gladly visit old Dark Shores and Ashenvale, Hillsbradand Barrens. Some others. *sigh* cant say i like cata changes. Never liked