Tips for keybinds for vengeance?

Basically I use the same key layout for all classes. I have 2x12 buttons where I can bind skills to and this works for havoc (taunt is off because of azerite essence).

I want to give vengeance a try, the skills are refreshing while still playing demon hunter. The problem I have is that I don’t seem to have enough keybinds left to put the skills on. I’ve managed to fit all skills on my bars, minus 2 sigils and taunt (well, I do need to bind that!). Are there skills that I shouldn’t be using while tanking, that I could remove? I’m currently not really aware of the correct talent build, so I’m following the icy veins guides:

  • Abyssal Strike
  • Fallout
  • Flame Crash
  • Fracture
  • Spirit Bomb
  • Last Resort

So basically I’m lacking space for skills, what to do? Currently this (and lack of gear for tank spec) is withholding me from even really trying it.

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the 4 buttons bellow are mouse buttons.
So usually cd’s or pvp talents go there
V is a bigg cooldown usually
s x usually something defensive

You need to start using key modifers if you want to play the game as it’s meant to be played. I use a lot of CTRL and ALT modifiers. The other way is to have a mouse with extra buttons.

First of all, whatever class I’m playing, I always bind the abilities more or less the same across all characters: regular attacks (generators, spenders, fillers etc), big and small defensive CDs, CC, self heals etc. It’s easier to remember that if I want to use a big offensive CD i press F1 or if I need to use big def CD i press T. You said you already do it but I just wanted to clarify it.

Secondly, unbind A and D keys from movement and assign them to your action bar. Leave S or w/e is your backward movement key because you need it as a tank.

Now to the modifers. You obviously don’t want important abilities to take 2 buttons to activate so you need to find a good balance for yourself and make sure it’s easy to reach when needed. I always bind hard CC abilities on ctrl modifier because I don’t need them to be pressed so often and when I do need them I also want them to be easy to reach, so for me it’s sap on ctrl 1 and fear on ctrl 2. Also ctrl is my choice because of how easy it is to use it- you just press it with your palm, it’s right under it. I always have my healing potion and healthstone bound to ctrl 3 and ctrl 4 on all characters as well.

Now about the big CDs. Metamorphosis is a big CD. Meta doesn’t need to be bound next to fracture or spirit bomb but it’s good to have it bound in such a place that you will never miss the button whenever you need it and also don’t missclick it whenever it’s not needed. I bound it to F1 because it’s very easy to reach, very hard to missclick and it sort of separates it from the “regular” abilities.

So after this text wall, this is my layout:
F1- Meta
F2- racial
F3- trinket

1- Glaive Throw (ctrl 1- Imprison)
2- Fracture (ctrl 2- Sigil of Misery)
3- Spirit Bomb (ctrl 3- healing pot)
4- Sigil of Flame (ctrl 4- healthstone)
5- Azerite Essence

Q,W,E,S default
R- Demon Spikes (ctrl R- taunt) - I’m always using R as active mitigation button and ctrl R as taunt
T- Firey Brand (I always have T bound to a def ability)

A- Infernal Strike (alt A- Infernal Strike with @player if I want to spawn sigil but i dont want to move)
D- Soul Cleave (even tho spirit bomb pushes it out of your rotation you still need it to trigger Hour of Reaping trait and you also want to use it as filler)
F- Sigil of Silence (I always have a stun bound to F but yeah…)
G- Consume Magic

Z- speed potion (because i always have sprints bound to Z)
X- Immolation Aura (I always have some kind of AoE bound to X)
C- Sigil of Chains
V- Engineering belt

Obviously you want to hit the last row as well as ALT modifier with your thumb if you want it to be effective.

If you want to keep your action bars somewhat free then you can also macro 2 abilities into 1 button with modifier but seeing the cooldown is kinda important so I usually try to avoid it.

Another big thing you want to do, is to macro your leap and sigils with @cursor and @player. This will remove the need of having to click on the ground to confirm the leap/sigil which makes the DH gameplay smoother.

This is how I use it with my leap:

#showtooltip Infernal Strike
/cast [nomod, @cursor] Infernal Strike
/cast [mod:alt, @player] Infernal Strike
/cast [mod:alt, @player] Sigil of Flame

The @cursor should be self explanatory. @player makes you cast whatever you have to point with your mouse directly under your feet without having to use the mouse at all and moreover without moving when you use it with your Infernal Strike, and belive me, it sometimes is very important that you don’t move the whole pack or accidentaly make a mob move behind you. The reason why I’ve put the sigil into this is because you can stack Sigil of Flame twice for more dmg.

One last thing is to use @mouseover. What it does, it removes the need of switching targets to fire an ability on certain targets. It’s useful when you have to fire off glaive for some fast high threat on new mobs but you don’t really want to switch target for that. Also same thing with Imprison- there’s lots of situations where you don’t really need to switch targets but you want to interrupt a mob or just quickly CC a ninja pull:

#showtooltip Imprison
/cast [exists, harm, @mouseover] Imprison
/cast [exists] Imprison

the reason why it’s twice in the macro is because you sometimes want to cast it on your actual target, so the macro will prioritize whatever you have your mouse over but if there is nothing under it then it will just cast it on your current target. Obviously you want to have enemy nameplates turned on to make use of this macro.

If your using mods your better off moving your keybinds down the keyboard: shift + a is a lot easier than shift + 1.

That being said you don’t need to for vengance. You should be alright with about 12-14 main buttons. You’ve said you have 2x12, your better off with 3 rows of say 7-6-5 so you barely have to move your hand. Try just adding a few extras, the button next to the 1 is a good one for example.

I only use shift modifiers on buttons I don’t want to press accidently like timewarp on my mage, not stuff in a normal rotation and not fast reaction buttons. But I’m no pro

I use ElvUI with a 3*12 hotkey bar: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Q, E, R, V, Mouse3, Mouse4, Mouse5, and the same with Shift and Control modifiers.

I keep the 1st row (without modifiers) at the top, the 2nd row (with Shift modifier) in the middle, and the 3rd row (with Control modifier) at the bottom. I moved the hotkeys to the area just below my character, so that I can see the cool-downs without needing to look down a lot to the bottom of the screen.

I’m using alt for that most of the time, because it’s easy to reach for me. I don’t like using shift or ctrl as my thumb is free, but my pinky doesn’t allow me to properly reach any other keybinds when using shift/ctrl.

No can do, I use QWEASD all for movement :smile:

This is actually a good idea, I haven’t thought about using the F buttons for this, might actually solve a problem I had with keybinds in Havoc mode as well.

Thanks for the tips, I’ll see if I can make something work!

Find some software that will let you make the side button of your mouse modifier keys then you can press alt with your thumb. it’s a really easy way to get a ton more keybinds easy. Also you could use mouse wheel up and down as key binds on ur action bars, just rebind zoom to up/down arrows. and don’t unbind S from walk backwards whatever anyone says, for tanking you will need it.

After a lot of debating with myself, and figuring out the keybinds, the trick of F keys solved my problem. I’ve managed to bind my sigils to ALT 1~4, and some other skills to F1~3 and taunt on middle mouse button, now I have all my keys bound and no skills unbound.

Thanks for the advice and I’m really enjoying tanking so far!

I started with a few guild M+0 and did a few M+ afterwards, managed to get about 200+ rio over the weekend by practicing some runs. Ended up tanking gorgonzola through EP normal due to tank leaving and did the first 3 bosses on heroic, all without a single wipe. The tank swapping was not something I didn’t know about, but figuring out how to do it right can be tricky…

Thanks for the advice everyone, it really helped!

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