To all of you who asks/demands RDF

WoW Classic Cataclysm Classic Discussion
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Let me tell you a small story.

I’ve purchased ( I know :frowning: ) DF to give it a try because of some friends. I leveled from 60-70 in… 10 hours. I can’t even remember 1 zone, npc who I can say “Man, I remember this guy ( or zone ) from when I leveled up ).” . Yes, that’s bad it is.

I’ve also qued for RDF, 5 times I think while leveling. Well, I had literally no idea wtf was happening. No one was even talking. Tank just jumped in, pulled all the dungeon, died once, then /quit because “we can’t keep up”. Like wtf?

Great, I said, bah, is fine, let me get to 70 because maybe things will change. I did, then jumped into Normal to be “ready” for Heroic … just to be ready for Mythic , then M+ … you got the point. Only to find myself in the same spot No one was talking while entered a dungeon from RDF. Everything was “hurry , hurry hurry”. All good, except if something bad happened, like a wipe, healer or tank would 95% likely to leave and then wait for a replacement which made the whole …Random Dungeon Finder a pathetic tool because…“no one cares dude”.

You don’t see this in WoTLK. 95% of the dungeons I made, people usually communicate, takes their time if needed, etc. At the beginning of the x-pac, there were times were we wiped 2-3-4 times, with no one leaving, but just keep going and making fun of the situation. If I was on Retail, the party would of been gone after the 2nd wipe … max.

And don’t believe that if they will add RDF everything will be so good. Unless you are a Tank or Healer, your waiting times will be 15-20+ mins ( at prime time) at end game at least. In that 15+ mins I can make a party right now with the in-game Tool in WoTLK without problems.

RDF will bring nothing good to the community. If I love something about Classic is the community and how nice ( in general ) people are. You do not see this on Retail. If you want to …trade that for a bit of faster leveling ( maybe ) and some lower waitings while trying to do a dungeon … that’s fine. But I do not want that. Retail is a Mobile Game right now with nothing good to it, except maybe the combat.

So from my POV, they should not add RDF. Let us be …Classic. Make it the old way.

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You also level way faster in retail so obviously you remember less.

Running UK 10 times vs running it 1 time. Which will you remember more?

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With regards i somewhat agree and disagree at the same time with your post. Without RDF tool low level dungeons aren’t that famous unfortunately (right now they obviously are since there’s the JJ buff up and people are leveling alts). Even now i’ve seen people looking for a tank/healer for almsot up to an hour since the problem for that is not due to RDF but due to the fact that there are way less tanks/healers than dps (even if you put them up to a 1-1-3 ratio for a dungeon group) - but this is more dependant on which server you are on now that when we don’t have cross-server RDF. Even in classic when i get in a group through a group finder all i see most of the time is “dung?” followed by a “summon” and that’s it - they just proceed not to type a single letter for the rest of the dungeon. And even with RDF tool i’ve been in groups that chat a lot - everything from sharing jokes to complaints and what not. In the end i do believe that they should add it later on - after some times has passed after ICC is released. And if we’re sticking with “Make it the old way” adding it after ICC releases would be the real “old way”.

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Well, that’s bad and I’m very sorry for you. The retail community is not in a very healthy state I’m affraid…
But let me tell you another story.

I quit after legion because I really think SL was crap, and so is DF (just my opinion, of course). WOTLK classic seemed like the right thing for me because I really enjoyed WOTLK, CATA and MOP back in the day, when I had another account and much more time on my hands. Right now I’m just a casual gamer and I really don’t mind how long it takes me to get to lv 80.

I did not want to plunge back on without a “refresh” because I honestly did not remember anything about the “old” WOW, so I played on a pserver for a couple of weeks. (a WOTLK pserver, of course) It has RDF, as it’s part of the original WOTLK. It’s just ONE server so it’s not really cross-realm RDF.

My experience there was very nice thanks to the community, I must say. The server was unstable as hell… took me patience to endure the constant disconnects.
You could adjust your xp rates and I lowered mine to x2 (although you could go x1, but because I wanted a quick refresh and not a commitment to that pserver i left it at x2). I rolled a healer, quested, joined parties for difficult quests, leveled a profession and yes, joined several RDF during my journey from 15 to 70. I got to explore the world, meet people questing and then meet more people in RDF. I did the whole trisfal-silverpine-hillsbrad-arathi-stranglethorn-alterac-hinterlands-searing gorge-plaguelands journey and at least 20 something dungeons while leveling to 70.
When I got to lv 80 and started doing heroics I found so many of the peeps I met leveling and doing dungeons that I was greatly surprised. Then I uninstalled and subscribed to classic.
That’s what I though I would get here in WOTLK classic.

And I got ripped off.
I leveled ALONE IN THE WORLD for a very long time, even after deciding to follow a guide of the most popular questing hubs and then when I saw I wouldn’t be able to do any single 15-68 dungeon and I couldn’t even join RDF I decided to cancel my subscription and just keep playing until the last day to see what lvl I could reach with what little time I have to invest in the game.

My last day here will be in 3 days, Now i’m beginning to think about resubscribing because I’m finding myself accompanied by those enjoying jojous journey, but I know that this “suddenly populated world” is an illusion created by the exp buff and once it fades I will be left alone again in a MULTIPLAYER game. I even got to do a dungeon thanks to JJ. That’s why I’m PRO JJ and not against and that is also why I’m not resubsribing and I’m giving up on finishing my leveling journey, because I will have to do it alone and if I have to play alone then I can just play Baldur’s Gate III.

That is however, what WOTLK classic is, a Single player game disguised as an MMO.
I’m not really into that so yeah you can guess why i’m bitter at some people claiming to be all holy and pure about “Thiz Is ClAzSiC, nOt rEtaIl” and enjoying their “WOTLK CLASSIC” illusion. Good for you for enjoying it, shame on you for forcing others to play alone by restricting simple and effective world populating mechanics.

As I said, I don’t care how long it takes to reach lv 80, I just don’t want to do it ALONE in a MULTIPLAYER game. So yeah, that’s it for me. I’m sure I’m not the only one though, which makes this even sadder.

This is a fool’s parade and you don’t know it because you’re just sitting in Dalaran stroking your weapon and complaining about lag. LOL!
And if I’m going to be playing with that kind of people when I get to lv80 then I know I’m doing the right thing by not invensting a single € more in it.

So yeah, hate RDF, love RDF, whatever, there’s always another side of the story, Many people just don’t know it because they’re only looking at their own belly.

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While I understand where you are coming from and the experience in pserver vs WoTLK Classic can differ, I must say that we are “trading” some Vanilla WoTLK features in the …name of 2020s gamer mentality. If it weren’t for the Layers, I would seriously think to /quit because I hate to be next to 10s of other players just to kill my remaining … 5 mobs to complete a quest.

One might say that they should keep the… 5k or so limit per server and disable layers. Yes, but they would need to create x4 more servers than we have today, which wasn’t and isn’t the answer.

I don’t know on what server you are playing, but on my I mostly always have someone or party to do quests while leveling. It matters a lot on what server you play. On that pserver is…understandable to have a solid community because it has 1 or … few servers. I am 99% sure that there are servers in here where people can relay on your experience from pservers.

All in all , this is an…emulated experience of what was Vanilla WoTLK, not a 100% clone and I’m fine with it.

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Put xp rate x7 and RDF like warmane, and you can be sure you will NEVER play alone lol.
Already did that on 3 fresh serv recently and always works.

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That’s the thing, right now there are people willing to quest and do dungeons, mostly thanks to JJ, give it a few weeks when JJ is off.

Alone again.
This is not my cup of tea :rofl:

I did put it x2 and never played alone :wink:

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But all Joyous Journey will achieve is to get a bunch of people speed levelling through old content, eventually resulting in them sitting in Dalaran, or just raid logging, because JJ is a temporary, unwieldy band aid for a problem that requires more than a band aid.

The best way forward would almost certainly be for Blizzard to wind in their stiff necks, admit that they messed up and re-implement RDF.

The No RDF experiment has been a failure. Sorry if anyone reading this disagrees, but all the evidence points toward that conclusion.

The stated reason for removing RDF was ‘to make the game more social’, that’s a direct paraphrase from Blizzard.

Has the game become more social?
Clearly not. If anything the game is LESS social, as this ‘modern’ mindset of rushing through content at breakneck speed, speedrunning, big numbers, parsing, GDKP and the ‘end game is the only game’ mentality has just created the stagnant situation of raid logging and static worlds.

Sure, the players are to blame, they hoisted themselves on their own petard. But bringing back RDF would at least help somewhat in getting people together for a time. It’s not a magic fix, but it sure wouldn’t hurt.

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Everything you mention about RDF is already happening in Wotlk Classic, without RDF.

Just taking examples from today, I had a healer leave my group because I pulled one extra pack out of the ordinary to pick up a quest item, “ffs, i’ve had enough of you now”.

I also had a hunter leave the group because I pulled two packs instead of four, ruining his xp/hour (he was also a terrible player in general, being way below everyone else on dmg done).

And even earlier, I was healing a tank that also was focused on xp/hour and constantly line of sighted me when he was chainpulling new packs. He didn’t understand the concept of the healer having to cast heals for him to get healed, so he also left in a rage.

What I’m trying to say is that this is a modern community problem, not a RDF one.

Edit: I’d say it’s about the opposite to what you say in your opening post. About 1 in 10 dungeons are fairly executed by fair players in Wotlk, from my experience. While doing leveling content that is, people are in general better players at max level.

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This is just a drawn out “RDF kills muh social experience :^)” post and its not true either. Anecdotes from retail and then saying “If this happen in X or Y then Z would happen!” I personally dont care much for RDF at max level because its currently easy to find heroics, at least on megasevers.

RDF is needed for lower levels though. The dungeons are dead, even on megaservers.

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