To clarify all the wrong ideas about warrior "scaling"

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You’re wrong about everything, laughable to suggest you would still use Mjolnir in Icecrown when you’re already softcapping for ArP in Ulduar without gemming for ArP. Please don’t talk to me about Warriors, I knew everything there was to know about WOTLK Fury Warrior over a decade ago, and absolutely nothing that these new younger players think they have discovered is new, nothing, even the wowsim has done nothing but move closer to Landsouls excel spreadsheet with every update. There is no “trust me bro” source - I’ve literally played the game before, this is an old game and we already know everythng.

You’re just one of those people who wants to be the victim, and if there is one thing I hate in Warrior players is acting like the victim, trying to re-arrange the facts to make them look worse in your favour so you can cry about it. It’s pathetic.

Sad.

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You can sim that you are wrong but do go on, mister hide on your retail character and we werent talking ICC, we were talking TOGC, only when further into ICC does ashen pick up since you get more ARP, so again dumb stuff from the “expert”.

Newer players, i played since 2005, but go on mr expert, who doesnt showcase his sim.

Again no evidence, pointless to argue with randoms, who cant source nothing but themselves.

You´re just dumb clearly, cause this has nothing to do with whining and everything to do with pointing out people are wrong about what they said.

At this point you are just a sad loser, trying to grasp at pathethic personal attacks.

Go cry somewhere else with your “big brain KNOWLEDGE, hurr durr” or try and actually link your dumb sims that give you a 600 dps upgrade, prob simming 60s.

A nobody hiding is just that a nobody.

Holy hell you got you ulduar achievements in 2017 nah fam straight on the muted list, what a joker.

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You literally said that Death’s Choice isn’t better than Mjolnir as a response to me saying Death’s Choice was BIS until Ruby Sanctum. Death’s Choice is BIS until Ruby Sanctum, even with Whispering Fanged Skull HC simming like 3 dps higher in WoWsims because WoWsims is overvaluing Crit above the soft Crit cap.

And no we were not talking about TOTGC because I specified Icecrown. In T9 you will use Mjolnir and Death’s Choice, in Icecrown you will replace Mjolnir with either Deathbringer’s Will or Whispering Fanged Skull if you’re unlucky.

You claimed 10900, I simmed 11320. So to calculate this you subtract 10900 from 11320 which leaves you with 420 dps. This maths exam was free. The sim was 180s, why would you change the default sim duration?

You change the default settings because the default settings are wrong, the settings being wrong is a clear indicator that I was correct in saying you cannot compare classes on the sim.

So the two scenarios here are

  1. You lied about the sim numbers for dramatic effect, so that your point would look stronger, hoping nobody would investigate your claims

  2. You aren’t familiar enough with the sim to know how to use it correctly, which also hurts your argument.

What? I got both Ulduar mounts in 2009, my Achievements show that. It also shows I got Shadowmourne and ICC mounts in 2010. You’re a clown mate. My character is Quattro on Gehennas, don’t be disappointed when my logs are better than yours.

If you were in a guild with me you would soon come to call me father, as I would just consistently outshine you with a friendly demeanor. We both play in dad guilds too, evidently, so don’t act the big man.

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Stil havent linked your sim, why is this so hard.

  1. Where is all your ulduar achieves, why did you do it in 2017 mister “i played this game” at this point you just proved you are grasping.

The argument is TOGC and deathbringes will is better than verdict, it isnt even close, you are using deaths alongside it at some point when you get arp capping above mjolnirs proc value, that has nothing to do with the point about it not being a “good” trinket in comparison to how much it gives others. Mjolnir is better as well until you get too much ARP, aka mjolnir is outright better until it “GETS WORSE” shocker you cant understand that.

Go ahead and clear more ulduar content in legion and onwards i guess. What a joke. Get blocked.

Why would i, i killed algalon 25m multiple times your raid is still struggling (mr god, i played this game), now who is the newbie ? Hell this warr, that is an alt for now, is clearing the same as you and equalling your logs in a second alt pug.

Jawn…

I am litterally resto druid main for the added value for now, but yeah sim where ? You know you can export right

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38/54 (25 Player) progression, yeah forget this you are straight blocked mate, what a waste of breath, aint even my alt is struggling that bad.

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All this because somebody called you out on your crying and exaggerated claims :rofl:

Yes, make false claims about me and block me so you don’t have to deal with the stress of me being right in every post. Excellent.

Link what sim?

Set race to Orc
Change spec to use improved rend
Change glyph to use improved rend
change rotation to prioritise BT
Use bombs, you have engineering
Use haste potions x2, it’s better.
Choose BIS gearset, 4set with ArP gloves, leather boots.

It’s not hard, it’s not my sim, it’s WoWsim being used correctly.

This is called a strawman, you saw that I did the entirely irrelevant “with open arms” Kologarn achievement in 2017, and then you’ve used that to ignore that I did infact raid and clear Ulduar in 2009, including the mount achievements.

I raid for less than 3 hours a week on Classic, 1 raid night. It’s true we haven’t as a guild killed Algalon, however that is purely a time constraint thing. If I was trying to hide this why would I have told you my char name?

If you’re not a Warrior main it’s time you stopped talking because you are not going to come out of this looking like the smart one

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“export” i cant believe you are this dense, you can link what you did, why is it so hard to do, why are you refusing to do it :slight_smile: ?

Excuses mr “i played this game” it is so easy, why are you making excuses why you cant actually clear content you already have in 3 hours ?

Who cares what you think you cant even export your sim to showcase your points, call people newbies and is a dad gamer, who cant clear content.

I finished my points, i only even came back just cause i know you would further comment, while you are blocked.

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You don’t need me to export it because if you do what I just told you to do, you will get the same results. Link me the sim where you somehow got 10900 in BIS and I can tell you where you went wrong.

Well clearly my guild isn’t able to with 3 hours a week progress and clear Algalon on 25man within this time period, if they were we would have cleared Algalon within this time period. But is Algalon easy? Yes it this, this isn’t my first rodeo, nor my 2nd.

I think my logs speak for themselves that I am able to do that in a dad guild, agreed? My logs are also entirely irrelevant to the fact that you’re needlessly crying about Fury Warriors while pointing fingers at Ret Paladins, correct?

Correct.

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I am not reading what you are arguing about, but I am always up for violence

gotta choose a side …

GO TEAM TAUREN :cow: :cow: :cow:

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I think they speak to your delusion of why you think fury is “amazing”, cause in your guild you are parsing 98s and 99s right next to warlocks parsing 80s etc. so it must be all that nr 1-4 on the dps meter in your guild going to your head.

They are yes, but they arent irrelevant to you calling others newbies and acting like you knew everything there is to know about the game, yet struggles to clear it.

no one thinks gettin 99s on normal modes in week 1 is impressive, while every good player out there is clearing hardmodes to get the good gear.

I also didnt point fingers at ret, i neither mention that warriors should be buffed or that rets should be nerfed, you proving again you cannot read is amazingly funny.

I simply showcased how a none scaling class “ret” that needed ohh so badly that buff, was in fact still ahead of “OMEGA SCALING WARRIOR” even in TOGC, because they get what they lost back in ulduar (demon/undead) while they get good tiersets and ashen verdict is far better for them than us, warriors only using it over DMCG and later Mjolnir, when we get too much ARP.

You are the one that from comment nr 1, didnt stick to the topic and still refuses too, you are a high parsing warrior in your guild, thinking that being nr 1-4 on dps in a 38/52 guild means warriors are fine. This does not touch on the fact that they have been nerfed multiple times with no solidly good reason, they arent scaling to be monsters as people claim, they do not have the utility of other classes.

And wait for it most importantly. Are the least brought class in the game, despite having a huge playerbase from Classic into TBC and onwards going into wotlk.

These are facts, but still most arent what is being pointed out, which is people need to stop claiming warriors scale like monsters which they dont. As seen by this small tool they made far back, the scaling of 10-15% more than classes that are doing several thousands more dps is simply not so big that warriors become the monsters people claim.
https://b-r-a-n.github.io/wotlkscaling/

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I don’t know everything there is to know about the game, I know everything there is to know about Fury Warrior, within reason because there is always something new to be discovered, but the young theorycrafters are not coming up with anything new. The WoWsim has only slowly progressed closer and closer to outputting exactly what Landsouls humble spreadsheet did over a decade ago.

Ret isn’t a scaling class, they are getting upfront increases while Warrior is more to do with scaling. Also, I disagreed with the Ret buffs, but they are here now and Ret is still worse than Warrior and it will still be worse than Warrior in T9. You used sim numbers that were a long way below what I simmed, so either you were lying about them or you did something wrong.

Take into account the WoWsim is labeled as Beta/Alpha, different classes have different levels of accuracy, the default settings on some are more optimised than others and the sim lives in an environment that doesn’t exist in game, it’s not a boss encounter.

Warrior in T9 will be fine, it doesn’t need buffs unless the goal is to make it top dps, which it doesn’t need to be.

Ashen Verdict is the ICC reputation with the ring. If you’re talking about Death’s Choice/Verdict the trinket, it will be used until Ruby Sanctum. DMCG is also marginally inferior to both Dark Matter and Comet’s Trail. Mjolnir will be replaced as soon as you get an ICC trinket, Death’s Choice will remain.

Warcraftlogs shows that Warriors are statistically fine. They are not top of meters, but they can top Kologarn, Cat Lady and are extremely good on Mimiron. Warrior is completely fine aside from Hodir, where they have little to no value.

We’re also only 5-6 weeks into the tier, Warrior will continue to scale. Warrior was bad in T7, it’s fine in T8. It’s not a strong spec, but it’s fine. In T9 it will gain more ground, no basis for your fears.

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