Top of the pyramid gamers are the ones driving the games ideology

[Malikychi-twisting-nether]

@Annaconda-ragnaros

High end players don’t mind challenges, they complained when player power was locked behind timegated, braindead grinds like korthea and renown.

Or pure RNG that was titanforging.

[Pridemane-argent-dawn]

If delves are hard we’re just going to get the whining from Torghast back where people who were inept couldn’t complete them until they were nerfed to hell… (I do agree with Torghast being nerfed but mainly because legendaries were locked behind them and that was a major point in shadowlands)

The reality is people of all skill levels want gear but the amount of effort to get better at the game differs wildly per person and some just don’t want to get better but want the loot that is dropped by the higher difficulty.

[Anduimir-argent-dawn]

I dont know how low IQ you must be to think that this is somekind of “catch ya” moment or to use terms like “M+ players crying”.

If the dwelves give good gear, then good players are going to play those and get gear. If its really easy, to cater for people who want free gear, well then its easy. People dont do high M+ keys for gear.

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

@Ellipsìs-tarren-mill

If it’s intended, I would expect bliz to have at least mentioned it somewhere… anywhere. The number of “We should have an ilvl progression beyond world content” threads we see pop up in GD by people at 450-460 max ilvl also shows this isn’t something people are aware of.

I think for a lot of people crafting is something people are staying away from. It is very complex, or it feels like ‘buying’ gear instead of playing for it. It can also get quite expensive depending probably how early/late you want to do it. And i wonder people who are playing casual solo want to even get in touch with other people, what is needed for crafting.

[Ellipsìs-tarren-mill]

@Mistjo-argent-dawn

I think for a lot of people crafting is something people are staying away from. It is very complex, or it feels like ‘buying’ gear instead of playing for it. It can also get quite expensive depending probably how early/late you want to do it. And i wonder people who are playing casual solo want to even get in touch with other people, what is needed for crafting

Agreed, but if that was the situation those players were finding themselves in I would expect the conversations surrounding the topic to be focused on not liking the acquisition methods, not that said methods straight up don’t exist.

[Mistjo-argent-dawn]

Well, you need to do quite some research to find out about those things. But i am not disagreeing.