Toxicity and entitlement ruining WoW

[Enumar-karazhan]

@Àzrael-stormscale

I think people have gone too far in their constant bashing of WoW. Its ruining it for people who still love to play the game and putting devs on constant pressure to respond to an angry mob of ungrateful and spoiled gamers instead of exploring their creative genius to create off-the-chart worlds and gameplay features. This bashing and bullying behavior removes innovation and puts chains on Blizzard to constantly make gameplay decisions which calm down the angry mob.

People make ‘‘constructive’’ critism 7/24. They just dont look to forums.(or rarely look)

@Àzrael-stormscale

It’s not capitalism which became Blizzards problem; its angry and entitled gamers who project their own misery onto a gaming company.

Wrong.Players warned them about ‘‘unfisinished expansion issue’’’ they realized the problem, and delayed shadowlands. And now its a ‘‘mediacore’’ expansion at its best. So what you experience in quality wise is because of many players who wanted a better quality and wanted a delay in shadowlands expansion. And people also cheered for blizzard for delaying the game to improve the quality of new expansion. So people ‘‘do not project misery’’ as you told us.

@Àzrael-stormscale

Constructive feedback
Are there things that dont work? Sure. Are there things that can get better? Absolutely. Should feedback be provided by gamers to Blizz? Certainly. Should it be listened to and incorporated? Of course. Has Activision-Blizzard done everything right? Of course not. I’m 100% pro mature and constructive dialogue.

you just called players ‘‘ungradeful and spoiled’’ few seconds ago in top . Now you are saying people should do constructive critism. People do it all the time. You call it ‘‘bashing’’.

@Àzrael-stormscale

Current level is not constructive, its bullying
However, this level of game-bashing is not what I would categorize as feedback, its just bashing and bullying behavior. Everything the devs try, people aren’t happy. Imagine how it feels like working as a dev when anything you do leads to a big angry mob of entitled gamers who are dissatisfied.

There are no ‘‘blue’’ replies on eu forums. so dont expect much maturity over here.People are angry for several reasons.Also there are a lot of ‘‘young’’ wow players coming from time to time. They may be more impatient then others.

@Àzrael-stormscale

It didn’t use to be like this
It didnt use to be like this. Back in the days of Diablo 1, AoE and Red Alert, every new game that came out was OMGWOW! Gamers were happy with what they got and didnt act like amateur co-developers. This gave room for devs to explore their creative imagination off the charts and come up with the most creative games. When SC BW came out it was OMGWOW. Warcraft 3 was OMGWOW. And when WoW first came out, I could not believe how great the game was. And I still remember queueing to buy my copy of TBC some 14-15 years ago, taking my mount and running around in Outland getting 1 shot by lv 70 mobs.

They were ‘‘original games’’. or what i call ; ‘‘milestones’’. Not :expansions.

@Àzrael-stormscale

The era of Morhaimes and Metzens don’t work in 2021 …
I hope everyone understands that the magic that some of the early people developed; Morhaime, Metzen and so many others also requires an allowing and creative atmosphere. It also requires a humble and grateful player base, not an angry and entitled one. You cant create ”fun” in such an environment. I’m not a dev but work with quant analysis and programming, and I know that my creativity and innovative ability immediately declines in a toxic environment.

ıf players declined people to groups in game even though the player have enough ilvl and experience ;just because of their spec underperforming ; that is not a real ‘‘player’’ problem. Its a design issue.Also innovation flourish from following feedback. Not closing ears and eyes.

@Àzrael-stormscale

Toxic Youtubers
A lot of these negative trends are driven by youtubers. I hope people understand that you dont always get the ”truth” based on what is trending on soc media. Content creators love to talk about provocative topics because it generates views. Therefore, listening too much to content creators can create a feeling of ”doom” and ”decline” which not always is warranted by facts.

I dont think its WoW which is the problem with youtubers, its the fact that as content creators with WoW audience they are only ”allowed” to talk about WoW or they lose followers so it becomes too much of WoW. I think some of them should take a break and play something else for a while (like some of em do).

There is this thing on soc media where the angry and toxic people tend to make themselves heard, whilst the happy people (such as myself) tend to keep silent so it can create a feeling that ”most people hate WoW” which isnt the case at all.

Even a broken watch can show true numbers 2 times in a day. You know what i mean.
The problem occurs when the development team isnt given enough freedom to balance things.People give examples, shows why things are getting worse, why people are leaving, and if the top doesnt agree to do so ; things doesnt change.
Also ‘‘get good’’ or ‘‘you think you do, but you dont’’ attitude is purely toxic and angers many players. Thus, you get a more ‘‘harsher response’’ then regular.

@Àzrael-stormscale

A vid game is not therapy
Look I know many ppl want to escape pain and misery by diving into a fantasy world. Thats one of the beauties with fantasy and gaming in general. However, there is a limit to what a video game can do for you in terms of happiness. Maybe it isnt the Sylvanas-story thats so awful, maybe its just you who are in a rly bad mood. Maybe 9.1 isnt so crappy after all, maybe you just have a bad time due to too long Covid-lockdowns. We have to be careful projecting our own inner demons onto others.

Again , you are wrong. During covid lockdowns, people became extremely depressed and lonely; and even suicide levels gone spike in all countries. People who have a gaming habit had a longer patience level then others.

I have some problems with lore but not much…Actually story wise it is the maybe only thing that still keep me in game.(even though i dont raid). ı mean , they have such a huge potential to write and continue the story but they are too slow to do so.

Dont go harsh of people who just leave game because of frustration.They are too tired to talk about the issues of wow already. Others are bashed for being ‘‘toxic’’ or ‘‘whiny’’ or ‘‘entitled’’.
What results in return is a game that is put on a pedestol and considered ‘‘invulnerable’’ or too sacred to be critisized.And goes in decline.

@Àzrael-stormscale

Summary - be grateful
The quality of the game ultimately is up to you. Yes, that’s right, you. You think about what kind of game you want. If you all the time want to act whiny, toxic and ungrateful complaining at everything Blizz does; that’s what you’ll ultimately get. Your attitude ruins it for the devs, it makes it feel less ”fun” for dev to come to work on Monday and create stuff which is intended to make you excited. It ruins it for me and others who love to play the game - and those games we dont love, we dont play but we dont constantly also bash. Ultimately, it ruins it for nobody else but You.

People should only be grateful for things they are given freely. Wow is not f2p.

No, it is not up to me.Not up to you. It is up to devs. If the overall quality of game was up to me ; trust me it would be ALOT higher.

If they cant tolerate critism for the work they do, and causing people to mass exodus from game and making them sad or angry about it , they should self improve. Also convince the ‘‘top management’’ to improve also.

Dont get me wrong, im probably one of the oldest players in game,(game time wise) i’ll probably be here until the time the wow ‘‘get closed’’ or ‘‘wow story finishes’’. and i regularly write the reason of my frustations about the game issues from time to time. If you think those kind of responses are bashing, i dont know what to say to you man.