Troll Stuff and why Vol'jin chose Sylvanas [Spoiler]

Some random stuff to debate:

[Spoilers ahead]

Loa’jin almost confirmed:

  • … Even if Ardenweald does not have the power to rebirth all spirits, they must all flow through here to try to be saved.

  • I will take these three spirits into our care. And you will find your way out of my land, Bwonsamdi.

  • Four spirits, if ya please.

  • I thought I sensed something special about your spirit. You have a loa within you… waiting to be reborn.

  • I cannot promise that you will survive… or what form of loa you will become. But I shall allow you a pod to be reborn.

  • Life be full o’ mysteries. I be learnin’ ta embrace dem and see what happens next.

  • <Scene swaps to Vol’jin being put into a pod, then slowly fades to black… before snapping back to Bwonsamdi standing in front of Vol’jin’s pod.>
    <Scene swaps to Vol’jin being put into a pod, then slowly fades to black… before snapping back to Bwonsamdi standing in front of Vol’jin’s pod.>

  • Rezan be smarter dan I thought… but now dere be a new loa who be havin’ a deal wit ol’ Bwonsamdi. Heh heh heh…

Oh, and Rezan seems to be the one that had a hand in bringing him back. Why did he never mention it?

Mueh’zala was the one that whispered Vol’jin to appoint Sylvanas:

  • Oh? Good ting Bwonsamdi got a deal with someone who can be recoverin’ dem spirits from dat place.
  • Azeroth is in ruins… and all because of one… little… whisper to a dying warchief.
  • What? No… de whisper dat told me to make Sylvanas warchief… it be you?
  • You played your part perfectly, troll. And I would have tortured you for eternity… if not for someone’s intervention.
  • I be hearin’ enough! I want ya ta be knowin’ sometin’ before I destroy ya, Mueh’zala. * Dere only be room for one loa o’ death. And it be Bwonsamdi.

Mueh’zala model:
https://www.wowhead.com/news=311901/shadowlands-alpha-new-models-including-kaelthas-bolvar-ysera-and-sylvanas#screenshots:311901:12

Hakkar will be a boss in either a raid or a dungeon:

The loa above all others seems to be some kind of fairy chick:
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/920176.jpg

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There still seems to be a large bits of information missing.

As for Rezan as “handof valor” … is that another retcon?

What Eyir said to Vol’Jin:

" You have been touched by the hand of valor. Such a noble force does not scheme for mortal thrones."

Such a noble force does not scheme for mortal thrones

Rezan is literally partron of Zandalari throne.

Come ON!

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I’ll take it.

Personally, i was kinda expecting Odyn to be the one behind it and i hated it.
Better have Rezan being the one messing with Mueh’zala’s schemes.

Anyway, it all seems like a bit of a retcon, yeah.
During the questing, not once is Rezan shown to have any clue about whats going on with Bwonsamdi’s patron or with Vol’jin. And he has plenty opportunities to let out the whole thing to both Talanji and the Horde representative.

But anyway, i’m glad they tweaked this bit to give Rezan some credit.

Although i do lament Mueh’zala had to be added to the list of Loas and troll characters gone mad/evil.

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So much to unpack. And FINALLY we hear more about the real blood god. My Troll side is happy.

So, it was Mueh’zala who was sending spirits to kill us, in BfA quest chain? He is the “Boss”?

So I’m assuming that while it’s now confirmed it was Mueh’zala whispered he was told to right?

Bit confused how there are two Loa of Death then :thinking:

Dungeon journal is kinda out, and the first Boss for the Da Other Side is Hakkar…and second is something called the Manastorms.

I swear that I’ll punch someone if they cheapen the whole dungeon by throwing into it some Millhouse & Wife encounter.

Last boss is indeed Mueh’zala so we’ll probably have Vol’jins arch dealt with by the end of said dungeon.
The only thing left to know is where do we start it.
But given the fact that now Bwonsamdi vows to some fairy chick that looks like a Night elf (poor substitute to the villain batted Muehzala in my opinion), I’d say that it’s probable that the arch is part of the Ardenweald Horde experience.

Thankfully, this might mean that it won’t turn into another Valsharah.
But who knows.
There does seem to be another scenario with Tyrande trapped in the Maw, so maybe both of these quest lines are altogether out of the main narrative of the zones and are just scenarios that play out at max level as part of some equivalent for what we had in BfA about the war campaign.
It would be neat if Blizzard spared my Horde toons from going over some tear jerking moment about saving Tyrande or the NEs. And I guess that Alliance wouldn’t want to deal with Voljins shenanigans either.
Both seem rather faction relevant and should remain as such.

This doesn’t make any sense. I always thought that it was Jailer who had a power to sever the ties to Loa and take Vol’Jin directly.to Maw. Mueh’Zala was never portrayed to be this strong, quite the opposite. He always seemed to minor flavor god that is more malicious than Bwonsamdi.

So while I lamet this odd choice, Mueh’zala was written to be villanous for quote some time. It’s like sayijg that Hakkar was villan batted.

And regarding the Hakkar - I really wonder if he will at least be explained on why he has open chest with crystal stuck in there.

And now that Winter Queen - she looks super lame. It’s already duper disappointing that Loas were thrown to Zone that looks like another Nelf forest instead of something completely different and surreal. But the design of this herald is also extreme let down, If she would at least look somewhat creepy or something but it really feels odd that both she and Muehzala looks normal while Bwon is half decaying - and far more superior in term of design.

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Mueh’zala, as the Traveler book goes, seemed like Bwonsamdi’s equivalent for the Farraki.

Neither good, nor bad.
Just another kind of death Loa.

Deities seldom turn out to be good or evil, and even if he indeed had some shady elements to him, he was never this full blown villain willing to break the entirety of the death/life cycle.

And yes, Mueh’zala given the latest books, is definetly quite a big deal in terms of power.

EDIT: And yes, i hate the Winter Queen bit. Seeing her model and knowing THAT is the highest ranking Wild God all Loa answer to…

That is not truth, he is framed to be fixated on consuming souls and spreading as much death and calamity as possible. That is not a type of guy like Bwonsamdi who actually do cares for the living and wants to maintain Balance.

So in a way he being behind Sylvanas “kill as much as possible” would make sense. But at the same time it looks really weird that he could do all these feasts to disable Vol’Jin when Vol’Jin already had supposedly protection from other Loas. So I assumed only Jailer could have such a power. Unless Mueh’zala was in a way boosted by him like Sylvanas was.

But too little information but so far I have very mixed feelings over it.

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I would rather if the top Death herlad there was Either Xibala (Xibalba was a name for Underworld) as some really creepy T-rex that had it’s avatar on Azeroth.

Or something completely new, either taking inspirations from mesopotamia or India since the zone is meant to be about Reincarnation. But I knew it will all go to blow when they made another big nature zone to look like nelf themed instead of trying to bring something truly new to the table that would appeal to many versions of what makes a nature instead of yet another enchanted forest. And looking at the map, Andenwald is the most plain looking one.

He is shown to be willing to take advantage of it. Much like Bwonsamdi was rather fine with the Zandalari throwing themselves against the Shadopan and feeding him with large amounts of souls.

Most death Loa seem fixated on hoarding large amounts of souls for whatever reason they might have.

But this new twist with Mueh’zala, that has him suddenly willing to break the natural cycle, is new to him.
Even in the Travelers book, where he is shown as an outright antagonist to the human protagonist, he does seem to follow the “rulebook” regarding how much he can push to achieve what he craves for.

This sudden turn of events, that have him forcing his hand to the point it breaks the wheel entirely, is one step further down the bad guy path, and one that made his character cross from a Chaotic/Lawful Neutral stance, directly onto the Chaotic Evil one where Hakkar was.

The text seems to point him having some kind of deal with the Jailer, as he is funnelling souls directly out of Ardenweald and into the Maw.

Given this, i’d say that becoming capable of doing stuff like that, comes with the “boost” the Jailer has given his allies (Sylvanas, Mueh’zala, and probably Kel’thuzad).

That is different though, they fell in Battle. He didn’t manipulate anyone to go on conquest and kill as many as possible. He was on Vol’Jin’s side.
And Vol’Jin was standing up to Zandalari because he believed that their methods won’t benefit even themselves in a long run, but he was contemplating to join them at some point.

I dunno about that, he was portrayed as far less decent Loa than Bwonsamdi. If he is about causing as much death then he cannot be neutral. Bwonsamdi while also benefits from people dying still wants to have trolls prospere, live and grow because then he could get more worshippers.

So what I am saying is that there was a divide Between them for a while and Bwon was the more generous out of the two.

Of course.

Of both, Bwonsamdi still remained the “moderate” one, while Mueh’zala was portrayed in a more chaotic way.

Still, his stance wasn’t that of an uber villain akin to the one we seem to have in SL.

To put some equivalent with other neutral forces of nature, Mueh’zala was like a Firelord (Smolderon rather than Ragnaros) , whereas Bwonsamdi was more like Neptulon.

They mentioned agents of the Jailer several times at Blizzcon. Seems like Mueh’zala is one of them. The big bad of the Vol’jin plot, but just another player in the Jailor/Sylvanas-team. So I don’t think we have to assume that Mueh’zala did the heavy lifting of the more impressive magical feats all by himself.

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According to dialogue from Bwonsamdi, it seems the Night Fae leader is his boss.

“Hey dere Winter Queen! Ol’ Bwonsamdi be explainin’… see, I be findin’ out dat Mueh’zala be takin’ ya loa away.”

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That is a total cringe. Sounds like she is some sort of zookeeper where she is their owner lol.
But tbh I still think it’s the Arbiter who is his boss as it seems that weirdo isn’t happy around Bwony.

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The Winter Queen rules Ardenweald, the place of rest and rebirth for the Wild Gods, which would include Bwonsamdi. I had assumed she would be a step above the Wild Gods due to being the ruler, and this seems to cement it.

To be fair, to acknowledge that said Tinkerbell is to be considered any trolls boss should make all sorts of Loa roll in their proverbial graves.

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I had impression that the Other Side is “neighbourhood” realm, it has entrance in adewald or whatevs, but we don’t know how exactly it funcions so far. She can be ruler of realm but she shouldn’t be “owner” of wildgods, she didn’t create them.

But tbh I am quite disappointed with this whole zone, and the blue Clown is cherry on top.

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