‘Phobia’ indicates a fear.
I do not fear xenos.
Xenos fear me.
Yeah it really isn’t a sensible take to have, at least not from a lore-perspective. Turalyon’s 1x instance of being a warrior-man is from the 1990’s to the early 2000’s back when Orcs were still being written wholly as antagonistic villains rather than as actual people (minus 2x examples, both of whom die for making the mistake of having a personality in a time where Orcs were banned from having those). He disagreed with Xe’ra on her imprisonment too and Alleria and Turalyon seem very content in each other’s presences at all times, even the Lightforged and Void Elves consistently work with one another happily with no issue and even allowed the Vindicaar to become half-void half-light powered.
Hell, the Lightforged even have jokes about Xe’ra’s death. I think people when it comes to Turalyon, are clamouring for something that doesn’t overly make much sense unless he suddenly gets mind-controlled into thinking all the things he was okay with are now super-duper evil.
Book Turalyon (and Alleria) does jump to torturing innocent refugees and civilians while hunting for Sylvanas, and abducts+imprisons them.
I’m aware of using mind-vision via Alleria, but even then He seems fine with it if they’re willing to have Void Elves and Lightforged do that together. Not aware of them abducting and imprisoning civilians though, where is that from?
It’s from the Shadows Rising novel. In the first scene with them in Arathi they abduct a forsaken refugee to “interrogate” further in Stormwind. Never heard from again. They also torture someone at that time pretty sure, but then later on they’re at the pirate cove place and Jaina arrives while they’re torturing another person (in fact I vaguely recall they’d tortured their way through multiple people there? and it might have been in front of the guy’s family?) and Jaina is all “umm this is a bit bad???” and they’re all “we’ll do whatever it takes and Anduin would agree” and Jaina just kinda huffs and then leaves.
This is only true if you disregard how happily blizz applies instantaneous 180 degree personality/motivation twists and turns at a whim
Taking the racial joke lines as any indication of canon is a road that leads only to damnation
This is true. I’m a living example of this fact.
What are the chances Blizzard remembers this now? Telaryn I need stats!
True however you could say this about any and all Blizzard lore and characters ever so we are truly damned if we do, damned if we don’t, and until they do one of their insane 180’s we must simply do what we can to survive.
The war of the writing teams.
Never keep people consistent! They must change now! Add other people to push narratives and grow? NO!
in some ways you are right in other ways you have to ponder which outcome is more likely based on recent expansions.
Consistent characterization, or random 180s?
I know that you know the answer.
They’ll probably remember it 2 expansions later, introduce the forsaken as a character, and depict them as a villain for hating Alleria and Turalyon.
If anything I expect in the eventual Light vs Void Expansion (please God forbid this from happening, if you give us a sign let it be this never happening) that Alleria and Locus-Walker will be the Good Void Guys and Turalyon and Velen the Good Light Guys who team up like the Avengers to fight Evil Void Guys and Evil Light Guys and then they hold hands and learn that all magics are the exact same and the only thing that matters is if you get written like a Hero or Villain (or as Blizzard would call it, Morally Grey Characterisation).
I’ll always remind that Turalyon does not agree to torture being the first solution to a problem, that’s Alleria. Turalyon gave her every chance to walk away from this until he finally relents and afterwards asked her if this is the kind of person she wants to become because in that case she might as well holler at Sylvanas if this is a Windrunner family trait.
Alleria is pro-torture, Turalyon is begrudgingly pro-torture as last resort, which was also the case in Beyond the Dark Portal.
Wasn’t that already the plot of 7.3, in which we learned that it’s perfectly possible to wield the Void without being corrupted if you just have enough WILLPOWER and that even the most holy beings are not necessarily “good” just because they wield the Light?
Not that the last bit is news, since hateful extremists have been favoured by the Light since World of Warcraft first came out.
That just means he’s a coward as well as a monster.
At least Alleria is all in on the war crimes.
Turalyon sighed and passed his hand over his face, his eyes fixed on the scene playing out up the hill. “How do you think we should proceed?”
“However we must,” Alleria replied at once. The dream that had come to her while they rode through the Arathi Highlands returned to her, a chill running through her body that felt like the very fingers of death trailing up her spine. “The mother knows something. You were too quick to offer them food, we might have bartered for information. The king was quite clear—our orders are to find Sylvanas at any cost; her dark rangers will lead us to her.”
Turalyon nodded, grim. Something dark, something like doubt, flickered in his eyes. “The Light compels me to have mercy, Alleria, but I hear you. I do. I also heard what you said to that young boy. Is this us at our very worst?”
She sighed, staring straight ahead. “I see visions, Turalyon. So many visions. A thousand futures in which we fail to stop Sylvanas. Each one more monstrous than the last, and I would become more than my worst self to stop it.”
“Yet the Void often lies,” Turalyon pointed out.
“Of course it does, I do not blindly believe—I question and I wonder what the Void seeks to tell me, what wisdom is buried in the deceit. And after peeling away the layers of horror and destruction, I have come to a single conclusion: that no matter what, complacency and inaction will be our doom. We have our orders. It gives me no pleasure to interrogate civilians, Turalyon, but what choice do we have?”
“Let me talk with her, please. Give me a chance to pursue this the right way. Though time be short and our task dire, let us not forget who we are, what principles separate us from Sylvanas and her ilk.”
and after that failed
“Her mouth’s clamped shut tighter than a darkwater clam.”
“I noticed,” Alleria muttered. “What do we do?”
Alleria knew what she wanted to do—no, what needed to be done—but she had to hear it from Turalyon, too. He glanced at her from under his lashes, rubbing his stubbled jaw.“It’s easy to say, ‘what we must,’ but that is not so, is it?”
“Turalyon…How many more hours should we waste? It is her. Her stubbornness only proves it. She refuses to speak because she knows she will incriminate herself or the others.” Alleria gestured broadly to the troops still watching over the Horde refugees.
“We could question the others,” he scrambled to say. “Or…”
“Or take the information we need,” Alleria replied. “Take it now.”
He glanced at her askew again. “Is this who we have become?”
Under different circumstances, under a different moon, his words might have wounded her, but Alleria shook them off without hesitation.
“My sister has not known a worthy adversary for a time now,” Alleria whispered. “She has outsmarted, outplayed, and outwitted us because she is not shackled by good or evil, she is freed by her own willingness to pursue the mission, no matter the cost.”“Was that admiration I heard in your voice just now?”
Alleria sighed distantly. “There is nothing left of my sister to admire. Were she here now I would fill her head with visions of terror until it burst like a boil.”
That settled it for Turalyon. He turned and began the plodding journey back up the slope. “Whatever the cost, then,” he said.
“Whatever the cost.”
Turalyon wanted to avoid it until there was nothing else to do, and after he heard Alleria confirmed this isn’t her becoming like Sylvanas.
They didn’t try anything else, so that rings a bit hollow.
They then abducted the dude who told them everything.
He’s also incredibly unmoved about the torture in the cove chapter, shrugging off Jaina’s concerns. Did they have to torture the guy in front of his wife and child? No. Turalyon may talk up a good game about “ooh maybe we shouldn’t do bad stuff” but there’s zero regret when they actually do it. Then he’s all on board, whatever, who cares? “She didn’t harm him ‘overmuch’,” they say of a fisherman they tortured because he sold a boat to feed his starving family.
Light compels him to have mercy indeed.
so long as the night elves lose all is well and good in the world
I would much rather we lose. Kalimdor, Eastern Kingdoms and everything in between is lost to the Army of Yrel and the Lightbound.
Want the World of WARCRAFT then let us see what is on the other side of the world and begin anew, step in to something new yet Azerothian and prepare for the coming of the Lightbound.
Eventually the Horde or Alliance won’t matter ultimately but anyone vs the Lightbound. Orc and Human, Undead and Kaldorei etc.
It will not wash away the history of the past but it will mean that for the sake of survival we must all band together if only for a generation or two. Let the cracks show but it removes POINTLESS faction conflict and replaces it with another that makes sense.
In terms of how this works for Players you either join the Survivors or the Lightbound.
So the Horde or the Alliance?