Because that’s the only way he would help. Not saying it was morally correct but then again, it’s not like he would welcome them with open arms.
Well at least you acknowledged that Sylvanas was an evil scummy 
for doing that, that’s more than most Sylvanas fans are capable of.
I acknowledge that they deserved to be there just like Garithos but there was no way he would let them live in peace. Sure, Sylvanas wanted the power clearly, the outcome would be the same, but you can’t absolve Garithos of being a racist scum.
And he was right. The 200% horde dreadlord tried summoning Sargeras not even a decade later while Sylwaifu is now trying to destroy the entire reality. Garithos confirmed for the real protagonist of WoW.
Muh racism on the same scale as summoning Sargeras and destroying all of reality? Oof.
And you can’t absolve Sylvanas of exterminating Garithos and all his forces either. Just like you can’t ignore the fact that Garithos also had reasons to mistrust the Forsaken.
Assault on Gilneas was not genocide. It was regular act of War to take over land, not to wipe out everyone inside. And Gilneas was already plagued with curse of the Worgen. The reason why Gilneas was attacked was to get a port and to actually wipe out Forsaken. Garrosh expected them to wear themselves out completely when they attack humans and once they’re gone his orcs could finish the job.
While I didn’t like assault on Ashenvale myself the reason for that was that Horde needed lumber and they were negotiationg that with nelves, but Twilight Hammer made sabotage and killed those who were sent on the diplomatic mission. Nelves closed the trade option entierly despite the fact that Tauren were decimated as well, and that forced the Horde to press to aquite the wood. Obviously Garrosh didn’t just want the lumber as he was obsessed with conquest but initially lack of wood and resources is what pushed on warpath entire faction.
As for Theramore - Theramore was on agressive war offensive for 2 years. Look it up, entire barrens is a massive war zone, Mulgore is besieged, Jaina’s people are in Valley of Trials and a new ships are coming to invade Echo Isles. Theramore had to face retaliation. Nuke was an extreme, I agree. But it wouldn’t happen if Theramore would be neutral as Jaina claimed to be.
When it comes to wiping out people, Alliance doesn’t shy from it either. In Cataclysm Night elves rounded up Shatterspear trolls and intended to wipe them out completely (thankfully they were not successful)
And Dwarves wiped out tauren tribe so they could make a big digsite in Southern Barrens.
Or it doesn’t count because these tribes aren’t numerous?
He didn’t say that Horde as a faction musn’t be hated by those who suffered from it. He said that the formula where Horde is portrayed as extreme baddies over and over again against player wish is really exhausting. If they intend to make Horde a bad faction, they shouldn’t write that Horde should feel sorry for doing it, so they deffinietly should make up their minds. Either they want moral greyness so each side should have virtues and faults, or they split them for good and evil, but if they write evil faction then don’t lecture them for making immoral stuff. They’re evil they don’t care.
Well that will only cause a spite, because Horde players didn’t want this story, they didn’t really had any say in that. So it will only radicalize some players.
Yeah this is what I’m talking about. This is a two faction game, and players don’t want to be punished for something they had no say in. It will only make them spiteful and enter “screw it!” mode.
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I’m aware of that, these days story has been driven by power of friendship and equality.
I would gladly kill off Turalyon if that meant fighting for something Alliance actually has a motive to pick the tooth after Horde. To demand the payment in blood for every grievances inflicted. In order to keep those lands or not at least that would give last drop of satisfaction.
As of Sylvanas, she had no motive to wage new war after Legion. Attacking Night Elves with no personal grievances, when even Orcs themselves had to be pushed to war. It was a scheme that Sylvanas waged war not for the sake of conflict but for sake 9f her own personal propaganda. Dishonorable move that served no purpose. Whole BfA fourth war premise was very weak and ending ever weaker.
Turalyon was member of Lordaeron there are citizens of Lordaeon who escaped living in Stmrind. And yes, that doesnt really gives righteous claim to them but as Alliance former city if Turalyon decided to bring back the city back to the fold that will have a cause many will stand behind, including me. I see no “villanous” act in that.
Of course not, but I’m okay with it. I’d say after what Arthas put them through they were a little mad, yeah and they needed a home, what better place than Lordaeron?
I’m not saying they’re innocent but for me it works not just cause I’m a simp, as you guys love to call us, but because I believe they deserved to be there.
To me the Lordaeron thing is a 2 sides story. As Alliance you will say that Sylvanas is the evil scum because she killed him. You would rather have the Forsaken perish. To me that’s not fair. If someone had to go let it be Garithos and his armies. Ofc I’d want my guys to win.
We even had Southshore from classic to Cataclysm, which was our Lordaeron holdings. Those who escaped or became worgen deserve their rightful homeland back and those who died deserve to be avenged.
And Garithos and his forces did not deserve to be there? What makes Sylvanas and the Forsaken more worthy to inhabit Lordaeron than Garithos and his forces, which were also giving refuge to many innocent civilians driven from their homes?
Your last paragraph is basically you admitting that you are biased because you play Horde.
People probably called you a simp in the past because you’re clearly biased lol
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That’s is, you answered it yourself.
It will be villanous because Lordaeron has never been part of the modern Alliance. Their ties to Lordaeron are long gone. It belongs to the Forsaken and the Horde.
I’ll give you an example from real world. Moldavia has been always part of Romania. Russians took it and while it was part of the Soviet Union for a while, it became independent. Now if we were to attack and seize it, would we be rightful to do so?
Clearly, it’s exactly what I said. I am biased.
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I love how contradictory Horde fanboys are.
You got some Horde fanboys saying stuff like “WoW Alliance and Lordaeron Alliance are the same, so Arthas is an Alliance villain.”
Then you’ve got other Horde fanboys saying “The WoW Alliance has no ties to Lordaeron, it was founded long after Lordaeron was destroyed.”
These people can’t even agree with each other, it’s like a reflection of the mess that is the Horde in the story.
Of course, Southshore in classic was a mirage. As is all the Alliance friendly NPCs horde kills in these arreas for quests even in Cataclysm.
A part of northeastern Romania is still called Moldova. Should Romania give it back to Moldova like we did with Southshore?
By admitting you’re biased you’re basically telling people you’re not worth debating, because it’s obvious you won’t be impartial. That’s not a good thing.
They shouldn’t as it’s never been part of the independent Moldova.
I just admitted the Garithos thing was a villanous scheme and you still call me impartial. I’m happy that the outcome was the Forsaken winning Lordaeron but I didn’t say it was morally right. So because I root for one side I can’t discuss some facts?
If you think I’m not worth debating that’s up to you.
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I don’t care if you admit that was a villainous scheme because you then proceeded to say you still think Sylvanas was in the right because you’re a Horde player, “so obviously you’d cheer for her.” That is the definition of bias.
What angers me a lot about the whole cata Storyline is, how little of these details that are so important for understanding are actually addressed properly in the game.
Same goes for the War of Thornes where a lot of things that was painted differently in teh books and novels was simply not shown or completely different.
Everyone is biased. Hence whole psychology is filled with all forms of biases.
I am as well. I will allways view Nightelves favourable and thus my view will be tainted, I know that.
This doesn’t however change facts that are still very objective.
So even as a NE fangirl I can objectively say that teh WoT wsa an unjustified act of actrocity that should be vegnegnced. (I say vegnenced because that is what NEs are about, they aren’t paldins or rightous by any means, and Tyrande is even called the Avatar of Elunes vengence. So I expect vengence not modern justice as it suites the story.
BUT I can also say even with being biased that if NEs retribute by killing of horde children it would be wrong and disgusting aswell.
Biases work mostly extremely well, hence we have them.
I’m glad you agree with me. Southshore was never a part of the foreskin regime so it should still belong to us.
That’s not the same thing, what this guy is doing is basically this: “Yeah, I agree that what Sylvanas did was evil, and I agree that Garithos and his men had equal rights to Lordaeron… but I don’t care because I’m a Horde player, so I’ll still cheer for Sylv”