There’s a difference between accepting facts and siding with the good side. In your view the good side was Garithos so I should take his side because that would make me impartial?
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I never said Garithos was the good side, I disproved your idea that he had fewer rights to Lordaeron than Sylvanas. I have been impartial this whole time.
And I never said he had fewer rights. I said they both had the right to be there but because he wouldn’t accept the Forsaken I’m glad he got killed. It’s my opinion cause I’m biased, that doesn’t change the fact that he got backstabbed. Still don’t see why you consider me impartial.
Of course, the same way I advocated in a topic a few days ago about Ashenvale and Horde claiming it. And I clearly stated it should remain Night Elf land.
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Well … actually for some reason I have no issue with that stance in particular.
Admitting “ok that was undoubtfully evil , monsterous and bad, but I like the story of that and still like the character for exactly that” is … somehow Ok I guess?
Issues arise for me when people try to paint genocide as not being evil and fully ok and stuff like that. Admitting “my favourit character is an awfull monster for it, still I like it for reasons” … well not my kind of story but it is still a realistic view. Some people like to play the bad guys like the imperium. It is just nothing for me and as I have said I have an issue when said people fail to see that these acts are undisputably evil and wrong.
That’s lame from in-game perspective though. As many zones as possible should be contested so world pvp is possible. Yes, including Hillsbrad, I don’t want Tarren Mill gone.
Ashenvale was allways a contested zone from a gameplay point of view.
Yet it still was NE lands in terms of lore but attacked and thus contested. That is what Ceressa means I think.
Exactly that yes.
Brilliant idea. That’s what I want to see too.
I literally said I don’t consider you impartial, precisely because you, despite admitting that Garithos also had rights to Lordaeron, and Sylvanas did an evil thing, are still happy that Sylvanas got Lordaeron simply because you play Horde.
Well yeah, that’s how it should stay. Night Elves should still hold Astranaar while horde has that Warsong Lumber Mill thing. But I guess world revamp is not happening so eh.
Most Sylvanas fanboys are not like that, even Ceressà initially painted Garithos as the evil bad guy.
That’s not what being impartial means. I have a preference for one side but I can discuss facts. If I straight up told you Sylvanas is good and they were the only ones in right to be there then you can say I’m not worth debating and I don’t make any sense. I feel like this is getting a bit personal for no reason.
And wasn’t he a bad guy? Yes he had reasons not to trust them, but to deny them their rights completely, isn’t that bad in itself?
I wouldn’t say so.
Actually with the levelsquish now happening and this new system that every expansion has its own lvl content … all the new artwork blizz has created for some zone updates I can perfectly see a revamp with 10.0 actually.
In terms of contested zones. Traditionally gameplay wise only the Starting zone and one after that were faction specific, every other zone was basically “contested” or lets say pvp neutral. Yet the Zones still belonged to some factions.
Barrens for example are a contested zone yet they were allways viewd as a horde zone.
Ashenvale was contested gameplay wise but an alliance zone.
Reason was allways to be able to quest though these zones as the opposite faction somehow. But the Lorepoint was vastly different.
Actually I never had much interest in human stories so i barely know Garithos. But from what I know this guy was a complete and utterly bold racist just for teh sake of it and which motivated his actions. That is evil, same evilness as Garrosh actually.
Didn’t Sylvanas also deny them their rights completely, when he killed Garithos and exterminated his troops? Isn’t she also the bad guy?
Being impartial means that you don’t support any of the sides involved in an argument, you clearly said many times that you still supported Sylvanas and are happy that she got Lordaeron.
If Alliance was pragmatic, Garithos would have been considered a hero. He tried to finish off a horde race (blood elves) and fought against horde-alligned undead and demons in the name of the Alliance. Alas, that’s not how we are written.
They’re both bad, clearly. Between 2 baddies I chose the baddie that I like the most. See it how you like.
No. Garithos was racist towards elves because during the Second War his village and family were exterminated by the orcs, and he thought the elves were to blame because they diverted the army (of which Garithos was part of) to protect Quel’thalas, leaving his village defenseless. I don’t know who told you Garithos was racist for the sake of it, but that guy did not play WC3.
Also, Garrosh did way worse things than being a racist. Starting from him abusing Old God power to attempt to subjugate the entire planet.
Forgive my ignorance on this one but as I understand it the Blood Elves weren’t horde at that point were they? Weren’t they still alliance or alliance favored at the very least neutral? (Honestly, I can’t remember.)
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Lordaeron was an Alliance city, a human city. Alliance where 7 nations of Humans were United and Dwarves and gnomes were members. Modern Alliance is extension if was old one stood for. New Alliance has all the members of what “old” one had.
But that’s beside the point, Turalyon wanting to bring Lordaeron to Alliance fold and make the city human kingdom once more has a cause many will and are standing behind.
Villanous act is maliciously and without reason opening act if war to eradicate nations for the sake of power. Alliance still has humans living there, pushed outside of their homes, as long as they are alive the claim will be always there, as in how Russia took part of Georgia during USSR tries to make that part independent the claim that denizens of that part still have the claim of their original lands is still valid.
Especially after the leader of Forsaken has sabotaged the city to escape imprisonment. Horde has lost Lordaeron.
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That’s fine, but not what you said originally.
I have no problem admitting we killed that bastard and he deserved it. It was a smart move.
Garithos literally told them F off. It was their right to be there.
You’re clearly backtracking now, because originally you were certainly not being fair towards Garithos.