When people outright say that blizz must change it because they deserve better its demanding and entitlement. Talking about past mounts and how its lacking and asking them to change it is different.
You can ask without demanding it. You can even ask without it being entitled. All it comes down to is how you argue for your cause.
So what is the pinnacle for m+ players? x) The entire DF season the mount were just plain bad and did not have anything to do with dragonriding. It was just a boring ground mount.
Well, honestly I dont see glad as prestige. It used to be back in the day but its gotten less the more bs that happens.
Rets/demo in S1. Aug/boomie S2. DH S3. S4 ppl already starting with high MMR. This is just in DF.
Only real prestige I see currently in all forms of gameplay are R1.
R1 in m+. R1 in 3v3. World first mythic etc.
I don’t feel like you know what you’re talking about
Everyone knows that glad is the best thing good player can get from rated content
Everyone knows what season which class was good, how mmr was inflated/deflated and etc.
There are some ssns like sl s2 that well known for the ease, but other ssns are fine
Also your view of r1 as of only prestige title is totally dellusional too.
In this game with boosters n wintrade, with people who make money playing arena and boosting/selling, you simply can’t compete with such players
Thus, 80%, if not 90% of arena r1 titles are already booked n locked
Ofc you can be good, jobless n compete with em, but its not healthy for a gamemode
That’s why looking at arena r1 is wrong
World first mythic and top100 is also 5/7 evening gaming, if you raid this much having a job you’re dead in 1-2 months
So my personal opinion on what I believe to be prestige (for me) makes me not know what I talk about.
So, with all these boosters and wintrades. Glad is prestige but not R1.
But they are also playing for the very top.
Glad players play to get 2400 and 50 wins.
Each person have their own goal on what they want to do. One want to be the very best while one want to be just glad. I have no idea why you believe my view of R1 means less than yours about glad.
m+ players have but they, what I know of, never gotten any change for it. like I said, entire DF season were just a ground mount when EVERYTHING else were pretty much flying. Expansion is called Dragonflight but the reward were a mount that atleast how I look at it, had nothing to do with dragonflight in itself.
Do you have statistics that show the amount of unique players that remove every alt?
I am very well aware that S1 and S4 gave pretty amazing glad mounts.
Would not be surprised if even more players paid to get it.
I am not looking down on glad players if thats what you think I am doing.
S4 is 2nd rarest 2.4 glad mount after sl s4, the most dead ssn I can remember
Theres x2 mounts in ssn 1 n 2 of df, x1.5 of s3
You can check the mount rarity on dataforazeroth
I meant that you’re not participating in high rated arena, you have your vision based on your perception and some illusions how the things are in your head, but in reality you dont even get how much better multi r1s play
Yes you can see some streams, but wow is not viewer friendly and you miss a ton
You can prove me wrong by answering from your main any time
So you are saying an amazing mount did not increase participation?
So now I am confused.
I said R1 players are better and go for the very top compared to glad players who play to 2400 and 50 wins for the achiev + mount.
I said its more prestige to be R1 compared to glad player and you said I only feel like that because im not a glad player.
But you also say R1 players are much better.
So what is it? Is it more prestige to be a R1 or a glad? Make up your mind.
WoW is not viewer friendly, sure, and ppl miss a ton when they watch it.
But you honestly seem to believe everyone are idiots and cant learn or understand anything.
Just so you understand.
What you believe to be prestige might not be the same for other people.
So the way you try to dictate what other people should feel and believe is quite sad.
Is it somewhat prestige to get glad? Sure, for those who do it legit.
But that wont automatically make me respect them. Sorry.
I understood who you were based on your talk. You did the exact same “My way is the only way” argument.
Sorry that you cant dictate how I should believe and think. Goodluck with your next target.
Respect do not have to do with whos good and not. I respect some good players, but players who act like idiots and try to dictate how others should feel and believe… Sorry no.
Noone needs my respect. But you seem to believe you deserve respect just simply because you got glad.
If you believe your posts holds quality, man, you really are delusional.
Imagine being poor and still telling your view on how ferrari must look, and that people who can afford it should not expect quality from every single product
Imagine being a crowd actor and still believe that your opinion on how golden globe / oscar statuettes should look is worth someone attention
I rly adore your self-esteem, keep it up
Sadly for you, I am open minded. But I dont take in when ppl bs like you do.
You might have it easier to try to dictate and control other victims, but sorry.
The very fact you’re arguing with 5 different people on a thread for a topic which literally does not concern you shows it.
Why do you care that much to reply literally everyone? Do you simply get annoyed by sitting in a capital city looking at people who have Glad mounts that look cool or something?
It’s like “oh yeah, you’re not entitled to get a good reward for spending countless hours / days / weeks, suck it up and have a bad reward so you can feel like your time is wasted”
It makes no sense. It’s like some highschooler mocking last year graduates in university for a difficult and well paid profession or something, because he found out their profession salaries are going to drop by 30%.
The mount needs to change. It’s just bad. It will drive people away from playing the bracket, resulting in less participation, resulting in more imbalanced matches.
It is mind boggling how you can argue that amount of effort shouldn’t be equal to the reward for that effort.
You mean that I dont back down on people who try to force their opinion on me?
Sorry if open minded to you means that I need to change my mindset based on their own personal opinions.
But I dont reply to literally everyone? Some of them quoted me first or replied to me.
But considering you love lying and exaggerating I guess you cant see anything else.
Thats not what I said either but, you can keep ignoring what I even write and keep exaggerating and lying. You do that very well.
You really are bad at trying to make comparisons.
And I never said it cant change. You still keep proving you dont read. Why is that a common theme with ppl who just keep being deceptive?
Keep making assumptions, you do it great. Keep going.
I think I answered several times to you the same thing.
You really must love ignoring what other people write just so you can have an argument.
Considering how the world is today, I guess I cant be surprised anymore how low some people are willing to go for it.
Not sure guys, I read most of the latest posts all of you made and all I could see is, gladiators complaining, casuals being positive with the change the mount arguement, and jealous 2100 peaker apes such as [Yojeong-Kazzak] complaining about boosting and who is good or not, a player who is an actual rank1 gladiator will be recognised by the community and treated the right way, not a SINGLE bought rank1 player has done anything in the PvP community, either in the terms of selling their own gold boosts, trying to stream as a “high rated player” or anything like that. They are clear like sky and I can give many examples of these players but I will not in this post. A rank1 player does not care about the gladiator mounts, because he has obviously gotten many gladiator mounts before so he wouldnt care about 2 ugly ones. And not only because of that, a rank1 player would either look forward into e-sports or streaming than just getting the title, because as long as u are a 3v3 rank1 player in a not bugged season (sl s1, bfa s1) So I rather not see dumb comments by 2100 players who have no idea whats actually happening in the game
I am jealous? Damn, thats sad. I didnt even know that myself
You are talking like boosting do not happen for gladiator mount aswell so they deserve the entire respect and recognition from the entire PvP community solely based on that.
No comments.
So you got in here to defend your evoker friend? Thats also quite hilarious in many ways. I guess you discorded and he complained that he couldnt force me to have the exact same opinion as him for stupid reasons.
If your friend stopped trying to impose his “I am better” aura from the get go maybe he would have understood quite fast that: I never said they cant change the mount.
But just as normal, some people just cant read. Like you and your friend.
Do you want me to explain for most likely the 5-8th time during this entire post to the same kind of ppl like you who skip reading?
People are free to ask for mount changes however they want, but they should not lie, exaggerate or demand based on what they believe they deserve. Thats called entitlement.
Now, if you had any form of understanding, the entire argument between me and the evoker friend of yours comes down to one thing: Personal Belief.
Is it prestige to get gladiator? Sure. Some ppl might give you respect solely based on that, but you expecting to get it from everyone is just plain idiotic.
Of course people deserve a good mount for achieving something which is hard (for the majority of people going for it)
If there was a specific road for you to climb at your workplace in order to get paid better, and suddenly found out what you have been going for is meaningless because of some salary decrease update, would you not get mad? For your wasted time and efforts? Of course you would. Because you did what was necessary and deserved something good for it. But then somebody decided, no, you ain’t getting what you deserve. And if you call that “assuming” , then I simply have nothing further to add, since this would be the reaction of 99.999% human beings
The very title that say “must change” can be considered an exaggeration.
It doesnt have to change, but it would be better if it did for example.
The petition is an exaggeration with how its implying. (second post as you are very well aware of).
Theres quite alot if I would quote every single person. Even you.
Now lies can be depending on how the person sees it.
I mean, youve been lying so much its second nature. Do that mean its a lie when you believe its the truth?
You calling out “opinion of the majority” is depending on who you ask. Are you talking about majority of glad players which is a small minority compared to the PvP playerbase? Its very misleading how you represent yourself.
Not a single DF Glad mount received even 1/10 of the negative feedback as the upcoming TWW one.
Do you have statistics on that?
S4 about 2000 people got it.
Is very misleading since it does not account to alts. So its also a lie.
It was never about feeling entitled.
Is a lie. If you did not feel entitled you would not argue based on “we deserve” or “demand” it.
So there is no reason to discredit the reason they care just because you don’t.
Which is a lie. I never discredited glad players for getting their achievement.
Just because I dont respect them the instant they get it doesnt mean I discredit them. Their behaviour is more important to me than their achiev+mount.
I did not discredit their intention with wanting to change the mount for what they believe to be better. Only HOW they do it. Big difference.
Can prob nitpick some more things if you want.
How you write it makes a big difference.
But you apparently dont seem to understand that.
Would you rather move according to someone who ask and give a logic explanation on why
or
Someone who demands because they feel like they deserve it?
Remember that blizz dont have to change it when you think about that question.
Another dumb comparison to the current situation.
Ngl though, its quite interesting to see how some ppl actually get incredibly upset and mad simply because you tell them that respect is not given freely because they managed to get glad achievement or that they should not use a lie, exaggeration or demand when trying to get the mount changed.
Or having a personal belief that do not include them being the highest form.
As a matter of a fact, I did NOT read anything that Xays said even though he is the evoker i got glad with in s4 df. I just read what he said and he is right, I am not gonna go through everything u guys mentioned, I will focus on the more important example he gave, how can u judge how a ferrari looks or is designed when you’re poor and u will never get one, which basically means that you are a 2100 player who will probably never get glad they’re self. Secondly, you have no idea how does a rank1 player actually play like in a game just like I pointed out without reading what he said. A bought R1 will be recognised, cancelled and banned from the wow community. If you go buy a rank1 account right now as a 2100 player you are and go in LFG and type for example “Multi rank1 3500 exp hpala looking for dps” you get in the same party with two other rank-ones or not even rank ones but gladiator level players, you will get recognised and be cancelled instantly by everyone, wow is a small community that everyone knows everyone in the PvP scene so ur name is automatically over
Like I said. You dont even seem to understand what I said to begin with. It feels like you jumped alot of the reading, even the one where I clearly explained what it came down to.
What my personal belief is, is my own belief. Its what I personally feel. You and your friend do not need to be offended simply because I do not automatically respect someone who got glad achievement. Their behaviour is more important to me than a mount and an achievement.
Theres an obvious reason why I respect someone like Shadenox more than I would respect someone like Irony for example. Their behaviour is completely different.
A boosted player, whether they are R1 or glad player I believe should be “banned from the wow community”. Thats also my personal belief. A legit player got their achivement and mount, well done, but why do you believe that automatically should get you respect and recognition from the entire PvP community? Honest question.
There is nowhere I said they cannot or should not change the mount.
I do not trash people for trying, its more how they act on doing it.
You started the entire demanding thing with your title, first impression. And you should know first impression is what starts the attitude of the entire thing.
