TWW: Perfect opportunity to bring back Chain Harvest

Since Shamans are in despair due to the lack of attention given to the class, its time to bring back the beloved spell Chain Harvest. It plugs every gap, its fun to cast and it looks really cool also.
Primordial wave is just boring, I don’t even think people used it.

I love the ability but we dont need any more buttons

Id like to see
•Tornado on wf proc

•Wf dmg buffed

•ice strike made into a passive buff for Frost shock - frost stocked enemies take more damage for X hits

•two handed option back.

•Ascendance last longer or shorter CD. And new model (glyphs?)

•anscestral guidance baked into Feral Spirit

•Maelstorm also reduces mana cost by 20% per stack

•unleash shield for lightning increases the damage it does by a lot and heals you for x% of damage taken for x seconds

•destroying a shamans totem grants bloodlust for 3 sec.

•grounding totem baseline.

•feral lunge replaced with(baseline for enh) Direct Current - zap through the air to your target in a arc of lightning and tether to them for 1,5 sec.

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I actually say it since legion:

wf can only be buffed if:

  • doomwinds is removed
  • forceful winds is removed

the dmg is so low because of the crazy modifiers those 2 abilities have on WF

if doomwinds was at least the legion version I could live with it but currently doom fart is god awful

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You are absolutely in my mind.
And this is why i ve stoped suggesting things. Its obvious EXTREMELY obvious what the community wants to see so if those changes do not exist in the next week’s tuning i ll consider it as a big fail to “We listen you”.

I dont wanna be pessimistic but i hardly believe that they will do any of that. I am pretty sure they ll purge some abilities and add a bunch of extra stupid rng procs “% chance to do 10-20% of the base damage” not because i am a magician and i can see the future but because thats the direction they “THINK” is fun.

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I hate PWave with all my guts.

But to be fair though, it was the only ability that could find usefulness in all forms of content, for all 3 specs.

Otherwise you would end up with situations like : Chain Harves only being useful in raids and totally useless in M+. Or Vesper totem being OP for Resto but totally useless for Ele…

At the end of the day, people hate PWave because its cluncly.

Ele hates it because the real issue is spreading Flame Shocks.

Resto hates it because it costs 4 talent points to make it optimal and requires a ton of GCDs and overhealing to actually make it usefull.

And enh… dont play enh so I dont know why they also hate it.

So basically, they could keep PWave, but they absolutely have to improve the interactions its tied to.

Chain harvest sux. Its a magical button what does AOE DMG HEAL BURST you just like it because it was good back then and suitable in all the class mess within expansions… But it has nothing to do with shaman fantasy.

Yeah don’t think any covenant ability would be a welcome introduction.

Pwave was the one that interacted more with our kit, but it is pretty controversial one (some people love it, some people hate it). I do not believe that bringing back any other would be a welcomed change.
This includes chain harvest, mainly because all the fun with the ability was having an AoE LoH, which will clearly not be the case today (with blizz nerfing all the group healing of dps players).

Personally would prefer to have doom winds moved to the end of the tree and have supporting talents introduced. If it’s throughput is increased to SL S1 levels, then WF builds might be viable again.

But overall I don’t expect any big reworks, just scalpel changes to our current specs to modernize them abit.

Replace primordial wave with Chain Harvest and make it baseline

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We do, …. And you need a naga mouse…

Are you sponsored by razer or smth

for enhance it was super good in m+ if you saved it for massive aoe incoming dmg it instantly topped the whole group.

It was kinda bad for resto shaman though… but pmw is also terrible for resto, so bleh

Agreed. Chain harvest would be better than Pwave for all 3 specs and it’s not even close.

It could even be a capstone in the class tree since it benefits all 3.
Give it a new name, an elemental animation, and allow it to spread FS/Riptide.

Obvious W

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Not really it was kinda good for restoration it was just in the dust because of how kyrian was, but it was also workable.

it is about as good as it is now.
inredible boring, you have to plan around it and set it up.
after that you need a gcd which barely heals and then you need to cast our slowest heal.
kinda terrible for a healing spell.
would be nice if we at least could use healing surge or if pmw wasnt on the gcd

Resto shaman is good enough how it is. I think people are overreacting about the rework, elemental does 1.4 million overall dps, the rest mostly 950k on the beta, it will get nerfed.

resto shaman was always fine.
The only thing currently no fine on beta is the mana.
you basically spent all mana in an instant and you need 5 minutes to reg from 0 to 100% which is unlike all other healers.

now if the tree is tuned properly, we most likely do not need pmw anyways. There are now many decent options, which is great.

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