Kur’talos was the military leader, Tyrande was the High Priestess as in a spiritual Leader, there was no single Leadership during this time.
Why did Dath’remar free her from the prison? Because he would be considered a hero for the rescuing the High Priestess and she would speak on his behalf at the resistance that was the deal. In addition when they fled Azshara’s castle she saved all of them buy blinding the demons and allowing the to flee.
The summit was held at Darnassus because Tyrande planned it, she lead the debate with all the Alliance Leaders, Varian was the one that needed the most convincing. I am not saying Tyrande did everything alone, but she was an integral part something you clearly refuse to accept.
Tyrande and the Sentinel held off the entire Horde, and I repeat the Entire HORDE races alone, they were also turning the tide when Tyrande used the Light of Elune until Garrosh brought the Magnotaurs. Clearly she is competent tactician and warrior and you are grasping on straws now.
Who aided Malfurion? Who woke the druids up? Who battled Archimonde until the trap was done? Who protected Malfurion when he casted his storm over all of Azeroth? who saved MAlfurion in the Nightmare?
You changed you premise now
She is responsible for so many events,plot lines, and strands of lore as I have stated. She is indeed effectual.
Her competence is clearly subjective since she has survived 10 thousand years, is respected by her peers and people, and is considered the most prominent leader in Night Elven history. Your opinion about her personality is not really relevant.
During the War of the Ancient Tyrande was the one who was on Malfurion side from the beginning, and she came with her priestess of the Elune to help. There was a moment when without that help Malfurion could die.
Tyrande gathered what left of her people after the War of the Ancient and managed to restore destroyed nation. It was she who managed to do that, not Malfurion. Malfurion went to sleep.
“For many of the past ten thousand years, however, Tyrande has borne the mantle of leadership alone while Malfurion has spent long stretches of time preoccupied with his duties in the Emerald Dream.”
Also, Tyrande the one who created the army of the Sentinels. With that army she managed to save Malfurion during War3, and together they were the last wall than saved the world. + other wars of course.
In BfA, yep she agreed on the Human Plan, and her forces went to Silithus, and that is the only reason while Teldrassil was burned down.
But later she created an army of the Dark Moon, and took her lands back. She is the only one who in the BfA had a victory by the fact.
So, only because Tyrande is a wise leader, Azeroth is still exist, and also Night Elves still exist and have at least some lands.
Well, needed or just wanted her to. Of course I can’t say whether he was desperate or not, but he did give her a choice: “Do it… or try and escape on your own” he’d free her regardless I imagine, having her talk on the Highborne’s behalf just made it a whole lot easier for him.
Rather than him and the other Highborne going into hiding like the Shen’dralar.
And as this supposed “spiritual leader” what did she accomplish? What improvements did her leadership make to the overall war against the demons, or regarding the NE society in particular?
I wouldn’t lean on a bargain, that also benefited Tyrande greatly, as something that reflects positively on her leadership skills. Specially when said bargain doesn’t involve in any way her ability as a leader.
And specially given she was part of the ruling body that decided that the best route of action was to exile said elves a few years later.
Without Varian the Worgen would’ve never joined the Alliance. And it was Malfurion the one that influenced him to allow that to happen.
The only thing Tyrande did throughout that book, was to constantly try and highlight just how important Varian was for the Alliance in general, and the Night elves in particular.
Again, i wouldn’t use a narrative piece created around glorifying Varian as something that reflects well on Tyrande specifically. Specially when she is shown failing and in need to be saved by him.
Name me a single tactic she managed to pull successfully. Because even in that book, the NE were failing to contain the Horde and ended up needing the Worgen and Varian to save the day.
So, your argument about her being a great leader is reduced to supporting roles?
That’s exactly what i said above.
Tyrande only manages to get stuff done when she is surrounded by better men/women.
I didn’t.
The best examples you could come up to try and argue otherwise, are cases that had her character being sheltered by better and more proactive agents of the story.
And the only times she managed to pull some positive story around her, are framed in times when she wasn’t acting as a leader at all.
Even the wars you named, best case scenario, are about her being secondary to the real artificer that pulled the weight and pushed the race forward: Malfurion.
And assuming that regular Horde player would want for it to happen because they must be Nathanos fans. I personally thought he was insufferable and pity Bwonsamdi didn’t end his pitiful existance but there is little to do when one lead narrative designer rolaplyers as him.
She was the High Priestess of Elune who was recently chosen. You can imagine whatever scenario in your head, she was a leader at that time, your argument was that she was not.
Have you heard of a bargain that benefits one side?
The ruling body that decided that a minority of people abusing magic and being unable to coexist should peacefully be exiled before they cause a civil war. And after many years she shows compassion and makes a great decision of saving them from Genocide as well as accepting some of them in her ranks.
And without Tyrande the Worgen would be dead, and the summit would not be held. Your argument was she is’‘Ineffectual’’ she clearly is very important to many plot lines, it would be nice for you to act rational and change your opinion by admitting you were wrong about that.
She held off the demons coming from the portals near the Well on her own literally hundreds of demons pouring out of the portals on her own.
She cleansed Eranikus when he was about to destroy Moonglade.
She held off the Horde the Entire Horde with the Sentinels.
Do I need to start stating what her feats and power entitle?
My god, is supporting role a bad thing? I just proved how without said supporting role people like Malfurion,Illidan,the Worgen, the Highborne would be dead. Anduin and Sylvanas did not participate directly in the battles post UC does that make them useless? They were the leader, they were Leading.
My argument was that she wasn’t leading anyone at that time.
And your counter was to give her some title and argue that automatically translates into something positive.
In order to be a leader, you need to do something about it besides giving yourself the title.
And during the WotA she didn’t do anything as a leader.
Your only argument so far is her striking a deal to save her own life.
It gets lovely how you gloss over the how exile thing, or how she then proceeded to send in spies and saboteurs against those same elves.
Having a punctual act of kindness doesn’t qualify her as a good leader.
Malfurion was the one that felt responsible for the Worgen. He was the one that vouched for Genn in front of Varian.
The only thing Tyrande did, was to call for a meeting that failed, had to be salvaged by her husband, and then went into an ongoing fight she lost and had to be saved from.
You seem to have some difficulty naming actual military feats without having to resort to individual ones.
And she didn’t hold off the Horde with the Sentinels.
Even if we are to ignore for a moment that those troops were battling on their own most of the time, we still have that even after showing up in Ashenvale, she was being defeated until Varian intervened.
When judging whether a character is a good LEADER, i’d say that any feat accomplished while playing second isn’t really that relevant.
If the best examples you can bring up are about “But she helped”, then it makes it obvious that the actual leader is Malfurion.
Blaming a writer isn’t some handy get out of jail card in order to excuse any story we don’t like.
If we are to use it, this entire forum section is meaningless, and people could start throwing around whatever headcanon they want regarding what a character could or should’ve done, while blaming writers for any action they dislike.