Tyrande's Darkening (8.1 spoilers)

YEEEES! Hail Greymane!

I know right! I tried to warn everyone when they stole our ship but no one would listen :sob:

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As long as the character isnā€™t being set up as a villain for both sides, said character canā€™t be considered a game villain at all.
Because obviously, from your biased point of view in the Alliance narrative experience, most of the Horde characters will seem villanised. As will Alliance characters from the Horde side.

That doesnā€™t mean a character is a full blown villain for everybody.

Tyrande certainly seems to be marketed as a villain for the Horde side after this cinematic.

Sylvanas was under the impression that all she needed to preserve the Forsaken were these Valkyr from Eyir. Maybe this ā€œpureā€ kind have enough power by themselves.

But the stated goal of said enterprise was explicitly about only preserving the ones she already had.

I donā€™t see that. I just see a powerful enemy.

Sorry, but that sounds like a very improbable interpretation. Where did you get that? Source please, I donā€™t buy it.

Edit:
I meanā€¦ really, do you actually think having to sacrifice humans would even be seen as a negative by Sylvanas?

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I just watched this part in game and Iā€™m really wondering why she didnā€™t do that when the legion invaded in Warcraft 3, or when the orcs killed Cenarius. I guess it just wasnā€™t possible to do back then. Is there an explanation where this power is suddenly coming from?

You can see it in the war campaign of the alliance. Itā€™s from Elune.

(Bias mode off) I just saw someone who wants vengeance for good reasons.

Well I gathered that, but why couldnā€™t Elune grant this power before? What Iā€™m trying to understand is why Elune didnā€™t have the power to make Tyrande this strong before but now she does. Something must have changed.

Stupid Zarao. You should have learned by now, that only horde characters are supposed to be villains. All alliance characters are immortal and protected by the divine intervention of the ā€œgood guysā€ label by the word of God. Even the shady ones like Tyrande and void elves.

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Itā€™s an unstable ritual which the most donā€™t survive. Itā€™s risky to do it.

So it was just too risky before? Because it seems to me that the legion invasion of kalimdor or the warsong turning fel orc and killing Cenarius was a lot more of a threat than this war with the Horde.
Or maybe it will be revealed in a later story update why it could only be done now. It just struck me as curious.

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She is Tyrande and an alliance character. She will be fine. Just like Alleria when she literally sucked on a void lord in the making aka dark naaru and turned out good and marketed as hero. Together with Anduin, Alleria, Velen and maybe Turalyon she prolly will become one of the protagonists for the void expansion. Feel blessed that Blizzard gifts you like this.

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Thatā€™s your perspective. I wouldnā€™t say that.

Whatā€™s the difference?
How do you think Horde players should feel about a character that is given explicit and crude flavour texts and acts such as throwing around enemy heads and vowing to exterminate the Horde faction?

How is that any different from how Sylvanas is seen by Alliance players?

What makes Sylvanas a villain for the Alliance? Whatā€™s the difference between villain and enemy?

From this:
She had taken her flagship, the Windrunner, to Stormheim in the Broken Isles in search of more Valā€™kyr to resurrect the fallen. It was, thus far, the only way Sylvanas had found to create more Forsaken. ā€œI was almost able to enslave the great Eyir. She would have given me the Valā€™kyr for all eternity. None of my people would have ever died again.ā€ She paused. ā€œI would have saved them.ā€

No. But that doesnā€™t mean that was her goal in Stormheim.

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Reasons the Horde has every right to ignore. Itā€™s not as if either faction payed special attention to other collectives that also had good reasons to oppose them. Specially if said reasons were an inconvenience for either faction.

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@Zarao
Nah, Iā€™ll leave it at that. I donā€™t think you have any problems understanding my position, I certainly understand yours, and I donā€™t see the hint of a chance one of as will move one inch from there at this point. I have no problem with arguing about definitions, but that only helps, when it might actually move the discussion forward, which it wonā€™t here.

Soā€¦have a nice day.

Get out dad!

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Well, I have to say this, But - NIGHT ELVES ARE AWESOME !!!
tnx Blizard. Ohhhhh I will spend so much time on the Darkshores !!!

Wow. Just wowā€¦

So she is a villain if she pay back your actions. Zarao youā€™re amazingā€¦ I just donā€™t understand your viewpoint but im really excited how you see that all.

Im even such a nice person that I send you a link for the definition to ā€œvillainā€: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain?wprov=sfla1

Im sure that your next comment will be that wikipedia isnā€™t a safe source :wink:

Are you saying that any character with enough motives or grievances that makes him want someone to pay for their actions, automatically stops being a villain?

Villainous characters arenā€™t defined by the motives that drive them. But for the actions they do.

Given Tyrandes actions and portrayal, she can be seen as the villain/antagonist of the Horde. Regardless of how valid her grievances are.

Otherwise, we could go into a closer look into the motives that drove other villainous characters such as Zuljin, Garrosh, or Ymiron had.

Why is Sylvanas a villain, if her motives are based on making someone else pay for their past actions?.

And Iā€™m sure your next comment will be some strawman or absurd claim. Wink.

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Vengeance is nothing good thatā€™s right, but do it male someone evil if he wants an revenge? For me Sylvanas was ready to kill innocent without any good motive. I mean it wasnā€™t even her goal and the horde suffered because of that. Tyrandes motives are to pay back what the horde have done to her people and get her land back.

Friends friends.
Brothers and sisters of the Church.
And Night elf fans.

Neither Tyrande or Sylvanas is at present Villain labeled as of yet.
However they are~ antagonists to the opposite side or obstacles.

So, now can we just appreciate that a part of the Alliance is striking back and giving off red Flags?
Such as throwing decapitated orc heads into a questionable well of power to ascend to as close to godhood a good guy can become?

Oh and Malfurion giving a troll Veteran PSTD?
Through slaugthering his crew.

Just enjoy it.
As the war drives even the rigthousness and good to a dark placešŸ˜ˆ
From whench they shall never truly return.

Hail Greymane.