im not im actually nf, with niya where i perform absolutely fine 
i actually feel a lot better. Also the fact i can kite with vulpin and still use throwglaive without getting out is amazing.
Just remove DH tank
Itâs a stupid class
Flying leather tanks with no shield
How does that even seem real
What about a rolling leather class with no shield? 
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Warrior Palladin Druid is more then enough 
If I ever tank a key for you know that you will not be spared and will be subjected to pain enough to awaken your inner masochist >:(
Kiting is just a part of it, first and foremost DH tanks especielly Kyrian once which every VDH main should play got wicked good AoE damage. They put out more damage with their Elysian Decree than most other tanks can do in 5-6 globals so already there you got an advantage when you need to start kite. Tanks that require more time to build threat just canât start kite as early as VDH can.
2nd they bring the 5% magical damage taken debuff which is extremly valuable to push the entire partys damage, almost every single class relies mostly on spell damage rather than physical. Even most melee basiclly only get physical damage from their auto swings their abilities is spell damage based.
3rd they bring utility like an AoE grip, and AoE silence and an AoE fear that both can AoE intreupt casts in their toolkit. They can remove buffs from mobs which is also in their toolkit. Add that they are really robust this time around.
One thing I donât get with these changes is why they are buffing the tank that has the most survival out of all Guardian Druid along with the other tanks at the same time as they are fixing VDH. Because lets face it Guardian stays alive way easier than VDH.
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As you said yourself this just help first and foremost with kiting, itâs not the dmg themselves that make them good is that this damage is bursty which allows for easy aoe threat which means they can go into kiting right away. However this is building on existing strength, vdh was already the best kiter even before SL and covenants, itâs just that mobs didnât hit as hard and so being good at kiting wasnât valued. In fact VDH having to quite was seen as a weakness when other tanks could just stand there and have every mobs stacked for then uncapped aoe.
I am going to disagree with you on that one. VDH already had chaos brand back in bfa and it didnât make them good, in an expansion where the heart of azeroth gave everyone a billion magic damage procs. They are classes that donât do much magic damage or that are just a little bit. For example fury warrior and outlaw rogues donât do any, and they are both been historically good in that content. Hunters do some but also have a lot of big damage ability that donât aswell. Now VDH had to content with havoc for the chaos brand utility in bfa however havoc itself had to compete with outlaw which was a very strong pick for melee dps. So we could definitely have seen some comps with outlaw and a vdh tank, especially in 8.3.
Most tanks have a comparable level of utilities, some may have a little less but itâs not such a massive gap. And again all of these things were available since Legion and didnât make VDH good then.
VDH was always like this, a tank based on heavy aoe burst followed by kiting. It was always itâs playstyle and it always had the tool to do it. VDH didnât change, the meta did and in a way that favored it.
Thatâs probably just PR, people are already screeching that VDH didnât have the bug remove + being nerfed.
Hey folks,
whatever you re planing to change on the DH maybe a little thought from my side. im playing tanks, literally every class in every addon or whatever, since vanilla wow but nowadays tanks feel squishy in shadowlands as they never felt before. i dont like the fact start fighting with a trashpack and need to pull cds instantly. there is no tank âwho feeels well beeing surrounded by enemiesâ. (even in tyran weeks). so i would like to see changes to all other classes in general survivability and dmg balancing as well.
thank u and have a nice one
So? Thereâs a new raid tier coming in a few months.
Anecdotal evidence is meaningless in this debate. Statistics wins at the end of the day. And fact is that at the key level youâre talking (20-22) Guardian Druids come out at either the bottom or close to the bottom on Warcraftlogs.
Unfortunately i canât post links, so youâll have to stitch it together yourself.
warcraftlogs. com /zone/statistics/25#bracket=22&class=Tanks
After having done a few dungeons after damage reduction buff I can say it slightly feels any difference.
I think 18s or sth like that is the sweet spot if you reach highest ilvl possible in the game and you dont wanna be pushing anymore. You still need to use your cds but nothing becomea too difficult either to handle.
Iâve never understood this.
Paladin DPS is the only thing going for us, yes, I can absolutely wreck any tank in DPS, and even take 3rd spot on DPS in M+ easily, as long as I can stand still. Nerf that, and we might as well all go VGH or Bears. We are the squishiest tanks and not really viable higher keys.
Besides, how does DPS matter when you are so squishy that you have to kite?
The 10% Dmg Reduc doesnât matter, we still kite even in +15 keys.
So what this post is saying DHâs were overpowered due to a bug, and now they get 5% increased psy Dmg reduction on the ward, the only issue we DHâs have had is the psy damage, thanks for the buff. Even with or without the 15% reduced magical DMG, it wont matter to us.
You forgot to refer a bug fix that happened where Vengeance was healing more than intended.
- [With regional restarts] Fixed an issue where the Havoc version of Shattered Souls was being applied to Vengeance Demon Hunters.
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