its not about this being problemagic. its about stright breaking many EU laws.
its not about this being problemagic. its about stright breaking many EU laws.
i didnât want to say that directly because i donât know what do eu laws say about these. my country is not in the eu so iâm a bit clueless.
You should be a politician. I literally wrote that the contract is confusing, itâs too much legalese, they should have written it in basic English. And still youâre trying to make out I said something else.
Unpopular attempt
Sure getting sued and banned for criticism is the way to go. Sure you canât speak up against blizz because of your green status but at least you could just not join a conversation if nothing useful is added
The fact of the situation is that when it comes to the class community discords its very unlikely that any of them would be willing to sign up to such a contract. They are able to understand the ramifications of signing such a contract and have decided its simply not in their interest to sign up to this program.
If other communities are willing to sign up then thats entirely up to them and I personally wish them the best of luck. But if the idea was to try and entice the class forum community to sign up to this program then simply it will not achieve its goal
Sure getting sued and banned for criticism is the way to go. Sure you canât speak up against blizz because of your green status but at least you could just not join a conversation if nothing useful is added
No where in the contract does it state they will sue you.
But no no itâs because I type in green that I could see that. Isnât because I read the contract.
Sometime I feel like blizzard is infecting community managers with the âout of touchâ virus.
Hello everyone!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feedback on the Community Discord Program legal agreement! Please rest assured that we have read each reply and understand your concerns.
It is not our intention to control conversations on community Discord servers. The intentions is quite the opposite.
Weâre reviewing the agreement now and will post here once itâs updated.
Good to see.
It would be better if you didnât turn promising initiatives into colossal own goals before theyâve even left the starting blocks. It reeks of incompetency, arrogance, or both.
They arenât going to sue anyone. If a discord doesnât meet the standards theyâve expected and the owner has signed up to they will simply cut ties with that discord.
The contract does not say you canât criticise blizzard, their games or their decisions.
The claims seem to be getting wilder.
shall not make any disparaging or negative statements or representations, written
or oral, about Blizzard (including any affiliate) or Blizzard (including any affiliate)âs products or services,
and/or the services rendered by the Program Member hereunder, except as otherwise permitted by law.
The foregoing shall not limit the Program Memberâs ability to make truthful statements if compelled by
court order, legal proceeding, or otherwise required by applicable law. This provision shall survive the
expiration or termination of this Agreement
There is wide latitude for interpretation here. What is a negative statement? You may believe in your heart something is âvalid criticismâ, Blizzard may see it as a negative statement and then you have a billion dollar company threatening holy legal hellfire to some dude who just runs a discord. Itâs not a wild claim at all, its something that relies on good judgement and proportionality from a corporation that has probably lost the benefit of the doubt in peoples minds. If they pounced, youâd have no choice but to comply or have deep pockets to contest it. Oh, and it carries on forever, even if you leave the program.
Iâm not a lawyer, Iâve seen plenty of contracts in my life and this is pretty one sided. Iâd have to have a gun to my head before I considered signing this one.
Iâve linked some other tidbits below. Sure they need interpretation and they are linked to different parts of the agreement but thats a lot of âstickâ being threatened.
PROGRAM MEMBER EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGES AND
UNDERSTANDS THAT ANY BREACH OF THIS SECTION I WILL SUBJECT PROGRAM
MEMBER TO CIVIL AND CRIMINAL LIABILITY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT ALLOWED BY
LAW, AND WILL ALSO RESULT IN CONSEQUENCES INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION,
TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT.
Because of the unique and highly sensitive nature of the Confidential
Information, Program Member acknowledges that Blizzard and/or its licensors may suffer irreparable
harm if Program Member fails to comply with the provisions of this Section I and that monetary damages
will be inadequate to compensate Blizzard for such breach. Accordingly, Program Member agrees that
Blizzard may, in addition to any other remedies available to it at law or in equity, be entitled to seek
injunctive and other equitable relief to enforce the terms of this Section I and to prevent any actual,
potential or threatened violation of this Section I by Program Member and in seeking such relief, Blizzard
will not be required to post any security or to prove the inadequacy of available remedies at law. Program
Member expressly agrees that it shall bear all costs and expenses, including attorneysâ fees and costs,
incurred by Blizzard in an enforcement action resulting from Program Memberâs breach
It simply comes down to the fact that any admin signing up to the contract in its current form would be doing a massive disservice to their entire community and thankfully it seems people are smart enough to see the contract for what it is and know to stay far away from the community discord program that Blizzard is proposing
As for it getting re-written I truly cannot see how Blizzard could re-write said contract to make all parties involved feel confident in participating ( including Blizzard themselves )
We fully understand Blizzard has to protect itself and we respect that but Blizzard also needs to accept that our communities have a duty to protect themselves as well and any impingement on freedom of speech and freedom to criticise both the decisions and design choices of Blizzard is simply out of the question and I do not personally see there is a possible middle ground here
This doesnât mean that there is not a way for Blizzard to communicate to the various community discords in a productive and safe enviroment for all parties involved but this initiative clearly is not it
At no point have I defended the contract or itâs wording. Quite the opposite but thatâs been ignored.
I personally am not attacking you Punyelf, I am just stating that the contract simply is not a good deal for our community discords at this time
Certainly there has to be a better way for Blizzard to commnuicate with the commnuity via discord in a way that doesnât force the signing of such a one-sided contract
For example there could be a official blizzard discord where people well known and respected in the various discord communities we have including the class discords to speak directly to Blizzard where honest feedback can be given and bugs reported
For example there could be a official blizzard discord where people well known and respected in the various discord communities we have including the class discords to speak directly to Blizzard where honest feedback can be given and bugs reported
The theorycrafters used to have one but back then Blizzard didnât listen to them ever so it didnât really serve any purpose.
No where in the contract does it state they will sue you.
Nobody ever in any contract wrote âwe will sue youâ. Legal obligations, legal consequences, our discretion, those items translate into: possibility to be sued does exist.
Now, because program is voluntary as you pointed out, it stops being mere provider-customer relation, and that increases status between parties, aka itâs in different realm of legalities and not just in domain of customer rights.
Then thatâs on Blizzard and not on the people who participated but this community discord program is not the solution to earlier communication problems
You have not attacked me, itâs all good. Others do but Iâm used to it
I think the idea is good, the way this has been presented has not worked out well. So lets hope they respond to the feedback and come up with something thatâs easier to understand and yes a conversation with those discords who might be interested would probably help.
They should just create their own discords and everyone who is willing to sell their souls should join those
Let us hope that their intentions were indeed pure, that this was all just a muck-up by their legal team (or other) not understanding the goal or spirit of the project.
Very often in large companies you will have people with the drive to âget the most out of every situationâ (a good quality to have for sure). Yet scraping for every advantage they can take here in this situation was not the move. So please, for the community and what little of faith that is left in the WoW team, donât try to do another fast one.
Open, simple and in the spirit. That is the goal.
The fact that you believe that Blizzard would sue you over a comment on discord or a comment made on a discord you run, is astounding. Thatâs so far fetched.
Whilst I think the contract isnât easy to interpret in itâs current format, some people are behaving as if itâs asking for your first born child.
It is not if they would do so, it is that they lay the groundwork that it could be done.
You donât leave the wolf to watch over the sheep.
That kind of logic.