Does anyone use Doom or Nether Portal talents?
Doom is super weak, I am not even sure if its worth the GCD to cast (icy vein says it is viable, but that only shows how weak this talent row is).
Nether Portal: the summoned demons are way too weak, their damage is insignificant. And this is with 3 mins cooldown…with shard cost…and with 2.5 sec cast time…lol
Also, from the shadow - soul strike - vile friend talent row is very weak. I think their impact is about 2-3%.
I see there are some slight boost on those talents in SL, but overall demonology has way too many lackluster talents (compared to destruction, where almost all talent rows are gameplay changer).
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Nether Portal feels like it should be a talent that replaces Demonic Tyrant as our big DPS cooldown.
Instead it’s a dead slot that feels horrible to use and is incredibly poorly designed overall.
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demo is just sad atm…blizzard better fix this…or else i will be very disappointed.
I have no hopes for changes… the spec was so good 6-7 years ago.
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I think the idea of Nether Portal is pretty good, just its execution is poor. Why does it not scale with the shard you spend? Why is the damage so low?
Demo has been on downward spiral for so long now. Our felguard’s damage and survivability got nerfed to the ground. We never needed to summon a whole army of demons. One Felguard was all we needed. They also stole our Meta form and gave it to DH’s. I have no issue with DH meta but Warlocks should be able to transform into demons as well! DH’s are melee and they transform into a melee demon where Locks are casters and transform into a caster demon!
Locks and DH’s should in future have some benefit in healing more while in demon form. A Lock should be able to heal a DH in demon form the same way he transfers his own health to heal his demons. A Lock should also be able to heal other Lock’s demons. Also soulstones should heal more for Lock and DH while in Demon form.
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Imho warlock should not be able to transform. DHs literally bind demonic essences in their body, while a warlock controls demonic energy and demons.
Where would the demonic essence come from that allows us to transform?
I think a lot would already be won, if they would give the Demo some QoL changes like instant cast
Also they should either embrace the fact we summon small imps to improve our spells/other demons, or they should revert it somehow.
I personally love my Imp army, but I would prefer some more control over them and other summons.
Edit sorry if this seems biased coming from a DH.
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They control demonic energy, so we should be able to enslave DH’s in meta and banish them. The reason for the warlock meta is simple, they leeched so much raw energy that they could transform. That is an easy task, but they eventually lose control over there mind.
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This is the same problem Vile Fiend / Soul strike have. It’s not the mechanic, it’s the numbers. Like, why does soul strike has a cooldown at all while dealing its mediocre damage? I understand that it’s a decent ability to cast while moving, but still, it’s like an enhanced shadowbolt, not much else.
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Ok, I made some more testing and I have to admit that for short ST fight Nether Portal is somewhat viable, I could reach a ST dps (70k+, no potion or other buff) with it which I could not with Demonic Consumption. However, the big difference that DC is a 1-1,5 min cooldown while Nether Portal is 3 min. I think if its CD would be 2 mins then it would be fine (for PVE).
I use Nether Portal because I just like the visual of summoning lots of random demons. I wanted to use Doom but there is no point. It’s so useless, there is no point in casting it becasue most stuff dies faster than it can deal any damage.
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It comes from controlling demons all the time that temporally Warlocks transform as well but only briefly.
Has anyone literally in the world ever had doom actually proc a doomguard? ever?!
Dhs learned the metamorphisis from warlocks lol
In BFA it was bugged the whole time, so it never triggered doomguard. In Shadowlands they just removed the doomguard part from the text.
As I said dozens of times, revert it back to MoP style. Easiest and best solution!
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No sort of change/buff to Fel Lord or Call Observer either, how can they ignore dead talents for 2 years!?
thanks for the reply, I actually didn’t notice that tbh lol
as if it was bugged… why couldn’t they just fix the bug? Might have actually been good 
It is established in the lore that warlocks are able to use Metamorphosis. But Metamorphosis of Illidari and Metamorphosis of Demonology warlocks is a very different thing.
Demonology metamorphosis is very close to one that have Illidan, with exception that warlocks transform for a brief period of time. Illidan got his meta by absorbing fel power of the skull of Gul’Dan, he has no demon inside, Illidan is a demon now. Demonology warlocks absorb large abount of fel energy and transform their essence for a brief period of time. Because otherwise their consciousness will be corrupted and transformed permanently, like what happend with Kanrethad Ebonlocke.
Demonology warlocks usualy don’t tap into such amount of fel power that they cannot control, of course if we are speaking about those who studies demonic magic and metamorphosis. Demonology tries to capitalise that amount of power that will allow them to be successful in the long run. Unlike those who are tries to summon demons that they could not control.
Illidari (DH) meta is result of absorbing essence of demon, and mutations. In the lore illidari is doomed, because in the end demonic essence the demon that lives in the mind of demon hunter will break illidari and take control over body, or corrupt demon hunter. It is only the matter of time, and for Illidari Metamorphosis is the last resort power, because when Illidari will use meta, demon inside will became stronger.
Of course it is all depends on Illidari inner strenghts and type of demon, so this demise could go from monts and years to decades, but the end will be same, madness or death from the hands of their brothers and sisters.
Jubeka’s Journal
Page 6/10
Day 36
Remarkable! My first attempt to summon a higher order member of the legion failed as spectacularly as planned. The shivarra broke free almost instantly after Kanrethad completed the ritual.
I expected the frail human to be struck down while I banished the creature. Instead, in the instant that the shivarra’s razor-sharp blades sliced through the air, Kanrethad’s form shifted and the blades bounced as if striking stone.
Unlike the typical form of metamorphosis, he did not complete the demonic transformation… perhaps his research has been more successful than I expected.
She speaks about Dark apotheosis.
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Well ok, then a metamorphosis like Gul’dan would be the appropriate solution. Not one where the caster is turned into a demon him-/herself.
As part of the lore Warlocks implanted demonic material into their bodies to empower their control over demons.