VDH Aggro and how it ruins M+

Hello.

After playing close to highest Keys the entire season since launch i wonder if Devs are aware of what is happening with Aggro atm.
I can not count the amount of keys that we depleted to bugs with VDH Aggro anymore, but since today its one additional on top.

One major problem in general besides the low aggro generation you have as VDH cause of plenty bugs on spells is:

  • Your spells outside of combat do not generate any threat, cause apparently the game does not consider you as a tank if tagged from non-combat

This alone makes it super annoying to play some pulls atm, but ontop of that most of your spells are bugged since years now.
Can we please finally adress this issues on a season that has so much potential?

Sigil of Flame does not have any tank threat modifier, Immo-Aura is cosmetic for aggro and whatever you do outside of Fel Dev + Sigil of Spite (only in combat ofc, cause outside you are sadly a dps to the game), everything is just basically cosmetic.

Even if your dps players are holding back, 1 or 2 proccs too much on their end and goodbye aggro again.
This is so much not enjoyable on the highest level of keys, its unreal. You do not struggle to survive anymore, your biggest issue is aggro on every single pull when your dps players have cds and get proccs.

Like either buff tank threat in general or please do fix some of the mentioned spells on VDH.
Listing again below:

Immo-Aura only initialtick generates threat
Sigil of Spite only if used when already in combat with the mobs, else buggs out
Sigil of Flame no threat at all
Reavers Glaive 0 threat (not low, its zero threat - can go test it)

This season has potential, but we ruin it with the actual struggle VDHs have currently cause the class is bugged since years now… Please Blizzard, help us, its actually really tilting after 200+ Keys.

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I started gearing a VDH to tank as it makes finding groups way faster and playing with friends is easier too, this is just another thing that makes tanking miserable. You have enough weight on your shoulders that any mistake you make wipes the entire party. Now you also lose aggro when a random blood beast procs and makes it impossible for you to get it back.

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We need urgent focus onto this one.

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I mostly play with a brewmaster, but it does seem like aggro is a bit of an issue this season for him aswell.

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You can look forward to a hefty set of nerfs if these aggro issues get fixed. Considering that the top runs are 96% VDH it seems its an issue that can be worked around pretty easily.

Not saying these issues dont exist, but if VDH is already that strong with those issues, imagine it without.

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I dont think it is an issue that can be worked around easily. Current bugs should just be fixed. Has nothing to do with meta or needing nerfs.
It is like throwing your shield as paladin tank and sometimes it jumps and sometimes it generated threat. And sometimes it doesn’t.

For the most time you can workaround, but there will always be that one pull on which your DK proccs on during BL, Pot, CDs and you have zero chance of holding it.
And imo that should not be a thing.

Your core gameplay atm is that you need almost every global on pull to hold aggro against good players, that is less of a problem on lower keys i assume cause DPS players are not as good (maybe), but i can barely do any stops in the first 10 sec of the pull cause that global i will miss out on threat. Imagine, 1-2 seconds not spamming everything u have will make you loose the pull.
That is really frustrating as you dont have any button to get the aggro back.
If its 1 mob, fine, taunt, if its half the pack you can go next key.

As a prot paladin playing VDH i do not even understand why its considered meta, DH is such a broken class it should be at best A tier, there way to many agro issues, and the class is so clunky its a pain to play and learn.

In case it helps

Hopefully things will be fixed. Might be worth doing some bug reports in game as well to let the Devs know there are issues.

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This looks useful, I’m just getting into M11/12 and really started to struggle with aggro on large packs.

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Struggling on the most braindead OP tank kek

Did you just reply to the post to say smth? Cause that is actually a little bit braindead.

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Classic char: :white_check_mark:
Nothing but empty words: :white_check_mark:
Unnecessarily rude and trolling behaviour: :white_check_mark:

Damn, made me think it was weekend already, but we still got today and tomorrow to go…

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Nothing but empty words but all true. Top leaderboard is all VDH and they don’t struggle with this or circumvent it so its a pure l2p issue on the most broken tank. More broken than Prot in s1.

U still have to learn how to press ur buttons even if the class is OP but I guess op found that out the hard way.

Tank damage this season is butt cheeks in general and it doesnt help classes like elly, especially in pugs, will dump their whole load before u are done even gathering mobs.
Pally atleast doesn’t have as much of an issue with aggro.

Made me laugh though. U have to struggle somewhere considering how broken VDH still is.

Ok Mr classic alt. I suggest you post from the character you do top level keys on first before speaking up.
VDH being very good has nothing to do with the fact that they have ongoing, known bugs.
Sure, when they fix those bugs we will most likely see some nerfs coming in, but the bugs are still there.

“People at top levels play VDH therefore it means you are just bad!”
The weekend is coming everyone!

True, the stupid DPS that plays with VDH needs to learn that they need some time to gather pulls and establish threat, just like those top level teams does. It isn’t a problem at the top level because those players can think, but Johnny Awesome at 2800io doesn’t know anything except Zug Zug, so he’ll just pop cd’s and hulk smash the second tank enters combat. Then he falls over dead due to stealing agro and goes “tank???”, completely oblivious to how absolutely terrible he’s playing.

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Yeah because DH players were asking for bug fixes when their talents were bugged double dipping to healing and damage funny good one!

If people at top level play it that means the class is not the issue

The mystery alt has spoken!
Happy weekend!

ran out of arguments nothing less from a premade carried hunter main dont forget ur swifty macros!